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Ripped off? - 05-28-2020, 10:16 AM

I bought a cue for 2K. I told the seller it was pretty but I would look at the next day. The next day I tell the seller the cue is not right. The third day I tell him I am sending your cue back. He says he refuses to refund my money. Has he committed fraud by selling me a cue that is not as described and refusing to refund my money? Telling me that is what he paid and tough sh&t.
  
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05-28-2020, 10:23 AM

Damn. Sorry to hear.

I know the used market is real shady in regards to description. Pricing? That's another story. I've seen some cues here that have dings and dents on the cue but it shows on the picture but the seller doesn't describe it on his listing. Your incident reminds me of those transactions, where there are pictures and you can see or not see for yourself and once you buy they can say you saw the pictures.This is why I don't buy used. You may be stuck with it.

Did you get pictures? He probably sold it in good faith but people's description of cues vary. He thinks its mint and you think its fair condition.

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05-28-2020, 10:29 AM

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I bought a cue for 2K. I told the seller it was pretty but I would look at the next day. The next day I tell the seller the cue is not right. The third day I tell him I am sending your cue back. He says he refuses to refund my money. Has he committed fraud by selling me a cue that is not as described and refusing to refund my money? Telling me that is what he paid and tough sh&t.
How is the cue “not as described”? New from maker or second hand ‘new’? Realize that the courts are not on your side here.
  
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05-28-2020, 10:32 AM

What's not right? That really would be the crux of the argument.

He should refund it, but he's not a business and he's not a retail store.


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Ripped Off? - 05-28-2020, 10:34 AM

You waited 3 days to tell the seller you wanted to return it. The seller may think its buyers remorse. Seems to me you should of made up your mind in the first day you received it although its sounds like it wouldn't of matter in this case anyway. Sorry to hear you ended up with a cue you didn't want.


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05-28-2020, 12:12 PM

EXACTLY the reason I buy from local sellers (cue in hand before I pay) .....or from a production company/dealer.

I've NEVER had an issue that wasn't solved with the above ways of purchasing.

In the end, it's just a part of buying used equipment from individuals.

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05-28-2020, 01:31 PM

So Nick gets the cue ( Day 1) and tells the seller it is pretty but he’ll give it a closer examination tomorrow (Day 2).

The next day (Day 2) after examining the cue, Nick informs the seller the cue isn’t right. I am confident he provided details why the cue wasn’t as described.

(Day 3) After considering the cue’s condition and probably what it might need to meet Nick’s standards that are pretty high, Nick informs the seller that he is returning the cue because it is not as the seller described. If it had been paid for using Paypal as a purchase, Nick could open a buyer complaint and the seller would be denied payment until the matter either gets resolved or else the transaction rescinded with a refund coming back to Nick.

Nick is busy and does not just sit at home waiting for a cue to arrive. And when it does, he acknowledged receipt and said he’d check it out tomorrow. Nick did not reveal details of what was wrong with the cue or how the cue was incompatible with the seller’s description that Nick relied upon when he purchased the cue or what it would cost to repair the flaws that he shouldn’t have to repair or pay for.

IMO, Nick Serdula is a stand up guy and if he says the cue ain’t right or the seller exaggerated or incorrectly described the cue, then I tend to side with Nick til his assertion is proven wrong. Obviously, a description of the cue that the seller offered and pictures of what’s wrong would make this easier to understand but for now I am in Nick’s corner unless or until facts suggest otherwise.


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05-28-2020, 01:51 PM

Just a question here- I have bought four custom cues from guys here on AZ and no problems. I do notice that sellers here ask for F&F paypal payment or the buyers add a percentage to the agreed upon price. If someone pays F&F; I understand that one cannot dispute a purchase with pay pal. However, one can use a credit card for ANY pay pal payment, and laws will allow one to dispute a payment within 60 days via your credit card, even if you cannot dispute through pay pal because you paid via F&F. So I ask, why would anyone spend $2,000 for any online purchase WITHOUT either paying via regular pay pal with buyer protection and spend the extra % for the fee; OR make sure you have your most trusted credit card as your payment mechanism within your pay pal account?

It is ALWAYS buyer beware, so I think ALWAYS pay with some form of legal protection- either regular pay pal ( even if you absorb the fee) or a credit card backup on your pay pal. Without either; you can get into the situation as the OP describes above- sorry to hear- hope it resolves for you.
  
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Just a question here- I have bought four custom cues from guys here on AZ and no problems. I do notice that sellers here ask for F&F paypal payment or the buyers add a percentage to the agreed upon price. If someone pays F&F; I understand that one cannot dispute a purchase with pay pal. However, one can use a credit card for ANY pay pal payment, and laws will allow one to dispute a payment within 60 days via your credit card, even if you cannot dispute through pay pal because you paid via F&F. So I ask, why would anyone spend $2,000 for any online purchase WITHOUT either paying via regular pay pal with buyer protection and spend the extra % for the fee; OR make sure you have your most trusted credit card as your payment mechanism within your pay pal account?

It is ALWAYS buyer beware, so I think ALWAYS pay with some form of legal protection- either regular pay pal ( even if you absorb the fee) or a credit card backup on your pay pal. Without either; you can get into the situation as the OP describes above- sorry to hear- hope it resolves for you.
Because people are cheap and don’t want to pay 4% more for whatever they’re buying.

Also, I’ve noticed the prices for used cues, cases, etc that sell on Facebook are often outrageous and barely under retail. So a lot of times it doesn't even make sense to buy if you’re going to add 4% in fees on top of the price.
  
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05-28-2020, 02:17 PM

Just do a CHARGEBACK with you credit card company.

You're welcome.
  
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Because people are cheap and don’t want to pay 4% more for whatever they’re buying.

Also, I’ve noticed the prices for used cues, cases, etc that sell on Facebook are often outrageous and barely under retail. So a lot of times it doesn't even make sense to buy if you’re going to add 4% in fees on top of the price.
Sadly that's how the industry works.

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05-28-2020, 02:44 PM

he buys and sells cues. does nick give 3 days to think it over.

but those details about returns should be worked out before the sale and how payment is made and delivery. he knows what he is doing so i think he is just venting his own mistake. but knows about challenging the sale.

i would think everyone buying on the net would insist on an email from the seller stating the conditions of the sale with his name and contact info on it.
then if you contest it you have some proof for your claim.
  
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Just do a CHARGEBACK with you credit card company.

You're welcome.
Is it that simple with transactions of previously owned goods between individuals?

Is second hand merchandise sold as-is unless otherwise stated in policy?

Unless it was fraudulently misrepresented, such as a production cue from Wisconsin being sold as a limited run cue from a Texas custom builder, is difference of opinion on condition something that can be disputed on a chargeback?


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The cue was described as dead straight. It is a big banana. Bananas! Big banana. Could be worse. A few stick pimps want it.as described. I might loose a couple two-three hundred. I have to ask. The logic here.of the seller you bought just what you wanted to. Forget he lied his azz off about the straight thing. And if you work for a living three days is normal return time period some even as long as 30 days. He agreed all the time . No problem let me know. Then oh your money? I don't have it.
  
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The cue was described as dead straight. It is a big banana. Bananas! Big banana. Could be worse. A few stick pimps want it.as described. I might loose a couple two-three hundred. I have to ask. The logic here.of the seller you bought just what you wanted to. Forget he lied his azz off about the straight thing. And if you work for a living three days is normal return time period some even as long as 30 days. He agreed all the time . No problem let me know. Then oh your money? I don't have it.
Who is the seller?


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