🔵 Can you replace Cuetec Cynergy's ferrule with Rhino's $5 ferrule? 🔵

Paul_#_

Paul_#_

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Cuetec Cynergy's ferrule may be the softest ferrule found in carbon fiber shafts.
See AZBilliard posts below.
Could Rhino's ferrule, the one used in Rhino's carbon fiber shafts, replace it?

Rhino sells the $5 ferrule in nine sizes for the nine shaft-tip sizes: 10.5, 11.8, 12.2, 12.4, 12.5, 12.6, 12.7, 12.8, and 12.9 mm.

Rhino provides no information on the material in its ferrule:
https://rhino-billiards.com/products/rhino-ferrule

Info on Cuetec Cynergy's ferrule:

Cuetec repair

I've had a couple customers ask about replacement of the ferrule on a Cuetec Cynergy due to the ferrule itself mushrooming. I have yet to take on a CF or fiberglass repairs. Suggestions???
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I have been playing with the Cuetec Cynergy for a month now. I am getting used to the change in deflection from my regular maple shafts, but I am still not there all the way. It is important to know if you are attempting to change shafts from maple to LD, that it will take some time. In...
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fish2 said:
is yours broken?
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Unbeknownst to me, the tip came off my Cynergy and I hit a few balls before noticing the missing tip. As a result, the ferrule surface got banged up and a side of the ferrule seemed pushed in. I sanded the surface and side down, put on tip, and the tip did not glue flush with ferrule. It seemed OK until it wore a lot and then balls would not go as far as what I could to do easily with other cues. I removed tip, sanded ferrule surface to square it with shaft. I sanded side of ferrule to remove lopsidedness. Most damage was at surface contacting tip and sanding seemed to make it flush with shaft (a little thinner at the tip end than it used to be) and square with tip. Its no beauty now but seems OK.

The last two photos made after 1000 sandaper put to ferrule and tip:
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Paul_#_ said:
Unbeknownst to me, the tip came off my Cynergy and I hit a few balls before noticing the missing tip. As a result, the ferrule surface got banged up and a side of the ferrule seemed pushed in. I sanded the surface and side down, put on tip, and the tip did not glue flush with ferrule. It seemed OK until it wore a lot and then balls would not go as far as what I could to do easily with other cues. I removed tip, sanded ferrule surface to square it with shaft. I sanded side of ferrule to remove lopsidedness. Most damage was at surface contacting tip and sanding seemed to make it flush with shaft (a little thinner at the tip end than it used to be) and square with tip. Its no beauty now but seems OK.

The last two photos made after 1000 sandaper put to ferrule and tip:
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The CF looks as bad as the ferrule (if you only took sandpaper to the tip and ferrule)...
 
Paul_#_ said:
Unbeknownst to me, the tip came off my Cynergy and I hit a few balls before noticing the missing tip. As a result, the ferrule surface got banged up and a side of the ferrule seemed pushed in. I sanded the surface and side down, put on tip, and the tip did not glue flush with ferrule. It seemed OK until it wore a lot and then balls would not go as far as what I could to do easily with other cues. I removed tip, sanded ferrule surface to square it with shaft. I sanded side of ferrule to remove lopsidedness. Most damage was at surface contacting tip and sanding seemed to make it flush with shaft (a little thinner at the tip end than it used to be) and square with tip. Its no beauty now but seems OK.

The last two photos made after 1000 sandaper put to ferrule and tip:
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Not sure how you hit with it more than once without noticing the tip was gone.

If you are happy with it now, then leave it alone and play away. If and when you want a new tip or ferrule, you should just take it to a cue-smith before you do anymore damage to it. Besides the vault plate, the carbon tube has been sanded down as well.
 
The shaft is trashed. Even if you replaced the ferrule the CF is all necked down. I wouldn't throw more money at it. Just glue a new tip on and play with it as-is. Or keep it as a backup and get something else.
 
This is a rhino break shaft. Would you trust a $5 Rhino ferrule after seeing this? Rhino is cheap junk.
 

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Paul_#_ said:
Unbeknownst to me, the tip came off my Cynergy and I hit a few balls before noticing the missing tip. As a result, the ferrule surface got banged up and a side of the ferrule seemed pushed in. I sanded the surface and side down, put on tip, and the tip did not glue flush with ferrule. It seemed OK until it wore a lot and then balls would not go as far as what I could to do easily with other cues. I removed tip, sanded ferrule surface to square it with shaft. I sanded side of ferrule to remove lopsidedness. Most damage was at surface contacting tip and sanding seemed to make it flush with shaft (a little thinner at the tip end than it used to be) and square with tip. Its no beauty now but seems OK.

The last two photos made after 1000 sandaper put to ferrule and tip:
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Unless you know what the Rhino material is, you would be better off replacing the ferrule with a material that is already proven. In the long run, the Rhino material may not be much better than the standard Cuetec.
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gutshot said:
This is a rhino break shaft. Would you trust a $5 Rhino ferrule after seeing this? Rhino is cheap junk.
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Does your photo show a tip broken off the ferrule or the breakage of a one-piece phenolic ferrule and tip combo?

I thought the Rhino break shaft had a ferrule different than Rhino's playing shaft AND has a vault plate (like that in a Revo carbon fiber shaft) AND its cue tip is part of the same phenolic resin as vault plate. It would be a a one-piece ferrule and tip combo. Your photo, however, shows breakage at what looks like the interface between ferrule and a regular tip --- that or the ferrule-tip combo broke in two.

Does the Rhino break shaft have one ferrule and a regular cue tip? Or, is it one-piece combo and the piece broke in two? If the photo is of a one-piece ferrule/tip combo broken in two? Yes, convicing evidence Rhino's ferrule material is not that hard (or no harder than Cynergy's) and not suitable for a break shaft. If similar material is used in the playing shaft, not good.....

Rhino break shaft:
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Rhino playing shaft:
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fish2 said:
I would post your query here https://forums.azbilliards.com/forums/ask-the-cuemaker.22/
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SSDiver2112 said:
he already did yesterday. Must not have liked the answer.
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This post does not belong in ASK THE CUEMAKER because cuemakers aren't interested in replacing a ferrule part with an off-the-shelf part from Vietnam that the cuemaker can make from elforyn or tomahaw, They make the part themselves and have been doing so for years. This is not useful to them.

A non-cuemaker, though, would like to know if you can just swap out a part for another even though the cuemaker can show how this is not wise. Also, the non-cuemaker would like to know if anyone has tried that before especially where there is no Cynergy ferrule available from retailers but there is a $5 Rhino ferrule available now.
 
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Another good option
 
Paul_#_ said:
This post does not belong in ASK THE CUEMAKER because cuemakers aren't interested in replacing a ferrule part with an off-the-shelf part from Vietnam that the cuemaker can make from elforyn or tomahaw, They make the part themselves and have been doing so for years. This is not useful to them.

A non-cuemaker, though, would like to know if you can just swap out a part for another even though the cuemaker can show how this is not wise. Also, the non-cuemaker would like to know if anyone has tried that before especially where there is no Cynergy ferrule available from retailers but there is a $5 Rhino ferrule available now.
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Let’s be honest. They are not interested because it is not good way to do it. The cue makers did answer your questions. It seems you did not like the answer and decided to ask here.

Could it be done? Maybe, but first question is how would you get the old one out. Next as you were informed it needs to be a near perfect fit. If you can get this far without damaging the shaft it will probably be wonkier than what you have now.
 
Paul_#_ said:
This post does not belong in ASK THE CUEMAKER because cuemakers aren't interested in replacing a ferrule part with an off-the-shelf part from Vietnam that the cuemaker can make from elforyn or tomahaw, They make the part themselves and have been doing so for years. This is not useful to them.

A non-cuemaker, though, would like to know if you can just swap out a part for another even though the cuemaker can show how this is not wise. Also, the non-cuemaker would like to know if anyone has tried that before especially where there is no Cynergy ferrule available from retailers but there is a $5 Rhino ferrule available now.
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First off, why are YOU trying to fix it? Do you have any knowledge and tools to do the job correctly? let me state, with all due respect, NO ONE THAT DOESN'T DO CUE REPAIR SHOULD NOT TRY TO DO SO ON THEIR SHAFT! Bring it to a competent repair guy in your area or a qualified person from here. By trying to do your own repair....you messed it up even more so. Cuetec's ferrules are not the problem in this case........To repair 'your repair' send it to a real repair person and remember the lesson. And expect to pay $$$ for it, only because you messed it up so badly. Originally it could have been saved if you didn't muck with it.
 
Dave38 said:
First off, why are YOU trying to fix it? Do you have any knowledge and tools to do the job correctly? let me state, with all due respect, NO ONE THAT DOESN'T DO CUE REPAIR SHOULD NOT TRY TO DO SO ON THEIR SHAFT! Bring it to a competent repair guy in your area or a qualified person from here. By trying to do your own repair....you messed it up even more so. Cuetec's ferrules are not the problem in this case........To repair 'your repair' send it to a real repair person and remember the lesson. And expect to pay $$$ for it, only because you messed it up so badly. Originally it could have been saved if you didn't muck with it.
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The initial post of this thread, said it all.
 
Dave38 said:
First off, why are YOU trying to fix it? Do you have any knowledge and tools to do the job correctly? let me state, with all due respect, NO ONE THAT DOESN'T DO CUE REPAIR SHOULD NOT TRY TO DO SO ON THEIR SHAFT! Bring it to a competent repair guy in your area or a qualified person from here. By trying to do your own repair....you messed it up even more so. Cuetec's ferrules are not the problem in this case........To repair 'your repair' send it to a real repair person and remember the lesson. And expect to pay $$$ for it, only because you messed it up so badly. Originally it could have been saved if you didn't muck with it.
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And by the way.
I agree with your post, 1000 percent.
My add on,
After the pictures supplied,
This person should not work on anything!
 
gutshot said:
This is a rhino break shaft. Would you trust a $5 Rhino ferrule after seeing this? Rhino is cheap junk.
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Did you contact them? I'd think they would be interested in doing an autopsy on that shaft, they may even replace it. That damage looks insane! 🥶
 
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