10 ball break..

[radnur22]

I was watching Chua in the 2017 Japan 10 ball Championship and noticed his break was very consistent. The 8, 9 and 10 usually ended up by the racking area within 12" of each other (makes an easy last 3 ball run), the 6 & 7 up towards the top corner pockets, the 2 & 3 heading toward the lower corner pockets, the 4 & 5 heading towards the side pockets, 1 usually in the top half with the cue ball in the same half. He always racks 4 & 5 behind the 1, 8-10-9 in line, 6-7 between the 2 & 3. It seems to me, with such a consistent break/setup, the "winner breaks" has a huge advantage in this level of play. I like the US Open 10 ball rules of alternate break. It makes for a more exciting match rather than a shutout or near shutout. If the winner breaks, maybe the loser should rack

 

[TheLoneSilencer]

He was using the same pattern I always give for myself when playing 10 ball. If the table is breaking correctly, you are basically playing only a few select balls. I go 1, 4/5, 9/10/8, 3/6/7/2 where I want the 4 & 5 in the side, 1 back towards the corner where I am breaking from with the cue ball & my insurance ball is the 2 going 4 rails and back into the upper corner.

A big reason why I can run some racks in 10 ball pretty consistently.

 

[jalapus logan]

Not trying to open a huge can of worms really, but I've always racked all games with no conscience thought as to where the balls were racked, with the exception of the one in front and the 9 or 10 behind the second row. Philosophically, I much prefer randomness in racking order to encourage less predictable ball placement after the break. In other words, Patten racking is against the spirit of the game, imo.

 

[Black-Balled]

Not trying to open a huge can of worms really, but I've always racked all games with no conscience thought as to where the balls were racked, with the exception of the one in front and the 9 or 10 behind the second row. Philosophically, I much prefer randomness in racking order to encourage less predictable ball placement after the break. In other words, Patten racking is against the spirit of the game, imo.

I think pattern pattern racking has no benefits, for players until they reach the top level... I need and then, it would be hard to argue it was more than a single-digit percentage gain

 

[buckets]

Pattern racking is literally cheating.

Unless it's deemed legal by all parties before the game starts, it's cheating.

 

[RiverCity]

Not trying to open a huge can of worms really, but I've always racked all games with no conscience thought as to where the balls were racked, with the exception of the one in front and the 9 or 10 behind the second row. Philosophically, I much prefer randomness in racking order to encourage less predictable ball placement after the break. In other words, Patten racking is against the spirit of the game, imo.

Pattern racking is literally cheating.

Unless it's deemed legal by all parties before the game starts, it's cheating.

 

[radnur22]

I think pattern pattern racking has no benefits, for players until they reach the top level... I need and then, it would be hard to argue it was more than a single-digit percentage gain

If you watch Chua in the finals, virtually every runout ended with the 8, 9 &10 approximately 12" apart right by the racking spot.

 

[jimmyco]

He was using the same pattern I always give for myself when playing 10 ball. If the table is breaking correctly, you are basically playing only a few select balls. I go 1, 4/5, 9/10/8, 3/6/7/2 where I want the 4 & 5 in the side, 1 back towards the corner where I am breaking from with the cue ball & my insurance ball is the 2 going 4 rails and back into the upper corner.

A big reason why I can run some racks in 10 ball pretty consistently.

Where are you placing the CB, where are you hitting it and at what speed?

I could not duplicate your results over many attempts.

 

[westcoast]

What I’ve never understood is why opponents don’t call out guys that pattern rack. Many times when I’ve seen pattern racking it is blatantly obvious but the opponent still doesn’t say anything

 

[fiftyyardline]

What I’ve never understood is why opponents don’t call out guys that pattern rack. Many times when I’ve seen pattern racking it is blatantly obvious but the opponent still doesn’t say anything

Exactly my thoughts - especially after Chua ran several racks in a row utilizing the pattern that continually gave him a relatively easy out. Other than the mandated racking position of the one ball and ten ball, the WPA rules state: “ the rest of the balls will be placed in the triangle without purposeful or intentional pattern”