10 ball rule question

Yotehntr

Yotehntr

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I've just started watching some 10 ball games, I've read the rules in a couple places, but have at least 1 question. In the above pic, if I shoot the 7 ball in (called) & want to put the 10 in the left corner I know I have to call the 10 but if I make the 7 & miss the 10 do I shoot again or do I lose the turn? In 9 I just do it, and if I miss the money ball I keep on rolling but not sure here. If I have to give up the table I'd leave the 10 ball "bump" alone of course or let it go in and spot it...Thanks in advance.

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You can only call one ball, so if you call the ten, make the seven but not the ten, your turn is over. That's as far as I know.

Side note - according to BCAs new rules, if you call and make the ten early it spots up unless it's the last ball on the table.

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Also, if you illegally pocket a ball the incoming player can make you shoot again. TonyRobles' PredatorTour takes it a notch further: call shot/call safe. If you call a shot and miss the incoming can give it back. I personally think this sucks big-time. It does away with the two-way shot which is just part of the game.
 
67tbird said:
Side note - according to BCAs new rules, if you call and make the ten early it spots up unless it's the last ball on the table.
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That pretty much sucks... I guess I haen't seen that one played on youtube. No point at all of playing the 10 early unless it's the only way to keep a run going then huh?
 
Yotehntr said:
That pretty much sucks... I guess I haen't seen that one played on youtube. No point at all of playing the 10 early unless it's the only way to keep a run going then huh?
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That's BCA rules. WPA rules allow the 10 to go in early as a money ball, but it has to be called.

In the shot you diagrammed, call the 7. If the 10 goes in too, spot it up and continue running out. It's an incredibly easy out from there. With that layout, there is no point in attempting the pocket the 10 ball as your main shot. Sure, use it for position purposes (if you want too, I wouldnt do that even) and if it shits in, just spot it and run out.
 
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10 Ball rules are starting to become as fragmented as 8 ball rules.

Really any version of 10 ball you want to play is valid. Play it just like 9 ball with no called shots, play it with called 10, play with called balls (only one at a time), play it with called safe and option to pass back if hooked after a miss), etc... The extra ball and harder to make a ball on the break part will still be there making the game more interesting than 9 ball.

Just don't play it by 8 ball bar rules (aka rules I learned from a guy that was just less drunk than me that he heard from his uncle who once saw Minnesotta Fats in a hotel so knows how to play) LOL
 
Icon of Sin said:
That's BCA rules. WPA rules allow the 10 to go in early as a money ball, but it has to be called. ...
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No, the WPA (world-standardized) rules have been changed. Early 10-balls to win the game are no longer allowed.

The BCA is the WPA's North-American member association. The BCA just adopts the WPA rules.

The BCAPL and USAPL (pool leagues run by CSI), however, have not yet changed that rule. In those leagues, calling and legally pocketing the 10-ball wins the game even if it is not the last object ball on the table.

I am not familiar with how this is being handled in other leagues.

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/13079-bca-releases-20172018-world-standardized-rule-book/

Edit -- and I just read hang-the-9's post just before this one. Yes -- you've got to check what rules are being used in any event these days!
 
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I like the new BCA rule. Helps define 10-ball as it's own game beyond "call shot 9 ball with harder patterns"
 
buckets said:
I like the new BCA rule. Helps define 10-ball as it's own game beyond "call shot 9 ball with harder patterns"
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I think my favorite way to play 10 ball is call shot, not safe. But I want to have a second push allowed if you get hooked by accident on a miss (or a real 2 way shot instead of just lucky safe). If the guy calls a ball, but then misses and hooks the incoming player, that player can call a push instead of having the other player shoot or have to shoot from the hook.

IMHO that gives a bit of the tactics of a 2 way shot but mostly eliminates the luck of having someone miss and hook you. At least you are not in a situation where you can give up ball in hand on a missed hit.

So rule would be "if a called shot is missed, the incoming player has the option to play the shot where it lies or call a push out".

The called safe is a bit eh as a rule in my book, I don't like that you can call a safe but if a ball goes in by accident the other player can make you shoot. I think if you call safe, even if you make a ball, it's the other guys turn. You should not be punished by a lucky safe by the other guy and you should not be punished by an unlucky roll or hit by you on a called safe.
 
I like call shot. But I like the rule that says that if you miss the called ball the opponent has the option of making you shoot again. It is super annoying when your opponent miss his shot and leaving you snookered... He messed up, he should be the one who has to get out of the mess he made...

I was playing in a tournament (9ball) and my opponent missed the 8 two times, both times leaving me snookered by the 9... The 2nd time the score was 8-8 (race to 9). I get that the score shouldn't have been 8-8 in the first place and I should have been playing better, but this is ridiculous...
 
AlienObserver said:
I like call shot. But I like the rule that says that if you miss the called ball the opponent has the option of making you shoot again. It is super annoying when your opponent miss his shot and leaving you snookered... He messed up, he should be the one who has to get out of the mess he made...
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No, no! He was playing a two-way shot!:rolleyes: I agree with you, but this is the way a lot of people now look at this kind of thing. I was disgusted with the one-foul-ball-in-hand rules almost from the start and am of the opinion that it ruined the game of 9 ball.
 
Pushout said:
No, no! He was playing a two-way shot!:rolleyes: I agree with you, but this is the way a lot of people now look at this kind of thing. I was disgusted with the one-foul-ball-in-hand rules almost from the start and am of the opinion that it ruined the game of 9 ball.
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One-foul was originally to speed-up tournaments. Two-foul is a far better way to gamble, i agree. The luck factor in any one-foul game is brutal. I'm afraid that two-shot is deader than HulaHoop though.
 
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