Call pocket and safety play. I did a search here and didn't find anything on AZ. Anyone have the rules for 10 ball. I found a set that mentioned safey play. Is this game a combination of 8 ball and 9 ball. Is 10 ball call shot and safeties? Sounds like if a ball, 2 for example, is in a bad place... I can call safe, pocket the 1 and hook them on the 2. This is a little strange for a run and gun style game. With the talks of Mark G starting a tour and 10 ball being mentioned, I thought I would check the rules.
10 Ball rules
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Here is a link to the rules effective from January 1st 2008:
http://wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_summary
Unfortunately you are right. If you mess up your position, you can call a safe, make the ball and freeze the cueball behind a blocker..
In my opinion, this rule is a big mistake. Many players feel the same, and I know that top players have approached Sportsdirector Thomas Overbeck in WPA in order to change the rules. From what I hear, Mr. Overbeck and WPA is positive to these changes, but things take time..
This is how it should be: 10 ball should still be a call-shot game, but if Player A calls a safe and makes the ball, or if he makes a ball in the wrong pocket, Player B should be able to handle this as a push-out, so he could give the table back to Player A.
This rule would eliminate that a player have an advantage with "pocketing ball safeties" and fluke shots where you make a ball in another pocket than you intended.
I have not seen any big 10-ball tournaments with the new rules yet in 2008. As far as I know, both the Predator 10-ball and the Florida Pro-Tour were / are played with more or less "9ball rules".(?)
http://wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_summary
Unfortunately you are right. If you mess up your position, you can call a safe, make the ball and freeze the cueball behind a blocker..
In my opinion, this rule is a big mistake. Many players feel the same, and I know that top players have approached Sportsdirector Thomas Overbeck in WPA in order to change the rules. From what I hear, Mr. Overbeck and WPA is positive to these changes, but things take time..
This is how it should be: 10 ball should still be a call-shot game, but if Player A calls a safe and makes the ball, or if he makes a ball in the wrong pocket, Player B should be able to handle this as a push-out, so he could give the table back to Player A.
This rule would eliminate that a player have an advantage with "pocketing ball safeties" and fluke shots where you make a ball in another pocket than you intended.
I have not seen any big 10-ball tournaments with the new rules yet in 2008. As far as I know, both the Predator 10-ball and the Florida Pro-Tour were / are played with more or less "9ball rules".(?)
this could end up in a real chess match unless they change them. Guess I will wait and see what they do. 9 ball rules until for me.
10 ball rules
Pooladdict said: This is how it should be: 10 ball should still be a call-shot game, but if Player A calls a safe and makes the ball, or if he makes a ball in the wrong pocket, Player B should be able to handle this as a push-out, so he could give the table back to Player A.
This is the concept we will be playing by. After forming the player advisosry board, we will discuss the little huances of the rules and decide what is the best for us.
The WPA has allowed the above to be utilized - and still be within the rules. I think they have added a sentence to the rules addressing this. I talked to Ian Anderson the other day (posted on another thread) and we discussed this and he is the one that informed me of the above. I may not have it exactly right but the basic is correct.
Mark Griffin
Still needing the contact information for a lot of the top (500 or so) players in the country. send to markg@playbca.com
Pooladdict said: This is how it should be: 10 ball should still be a call-shot game, but if Player A calls a safe and makes the ball, or if he makes a ball in the wrong pocket, Player B should be able to handle this as a push-out, so he could give the table back to Player A.
This is the concept we will be playing by. After forming the player advisosry board, we will discuss the little huances of the rules and decide what is the best for us.
The WPA has allowed the above to be utilized - and still be within the rules. I think they have added a sentence to the rules addressing this. I talked to Ian Anderson the other day (posted on another thread) and we discussed this and he is the one that informed me of the above. I may not have it exactly right but the basic is correct.
Mark Griffin
Still needing the contact information for a lot of the top (500 or so) players in the country. send to markg@playbca.com
Mark Griffin said:
Mark, if what you say is correct, that is great news. However, I could not find anything abut that on the WPA pages. It would be very nice to get something officially from WPA on this. Is it possible for you to contact Ian Anderson and request that? Thanks
Mark, thanks for the reply. I would like to see what would be descussed during rule talks. That break with 3 balls crossing the head string is another strange one. A person can smash the balls get a bad kick and the 3rd ball not cross. I watched this happen during the predator 10 ball event.
what do you guys think about this new rule at worlds and predator 10 ball.
what do you guys think about this new rule at worlds and predator 10 ball.
Fixer said:
Its not an official rule, but a break rule at tournament directors discretion. Probably came up after having watched the safe-breaks ala Corey D. frustrating Larry Nevel in a 10-ball tournament..
perfectpocketz
Banned
10-ball rules
The game of 10-ball is to slow down the corner balls from going on every break. Larry has a great break as Johnny and Earl and a lot of others.
Corey mastered a soft break, great for him. Don't knock his break if you
can't master it like he can. Why not knock Larry or Johnny or Earl's break?
Because we don't have their talent to break like them.
Take the jump cues out of the game of 10-ball and let the player that plays
position and kicks good,will have the best chance to win.
I played 10-ball gambling with top players to stop their break!!!
That is the only change from 9-ball. Stop the big breakers!!!!
!0-ball is by far the best rotation game, after the break you still have
to run 8 or 9 balls to win the game.
9-ball some guy's make 3 or 4 balls on the break.
You just can't win if you can't break in 9-ball like those guy's.
Your true talent shows up in 10-ball.
Mark Gregory
The game of 10-ball is to slow down the corner balls from going on every break. Larry has a great break as Johnny and Earl and a lot of others.
Corey mastered a soft break, great for him. Don't knock his break if you
can't master it like he can. Why not knock Larry or Johnny or Earl's break?
Because we don't have their talent to break like them.
Take the jump cues out of the game of 10-ball and let the player that plays
position and kicks good,will have the best chance to win.
I played 10-ball gambling with top players to stop their break!!!
That is the only change from 9-ball. Stop the big breakers!!!!
!0-ball is by far the best rotation game, after the break you still have
to run 8 or 9 balls to win the game.
9-ball some guy's make 3 or 4 balls on the break.
You just can't win if you can't break in 9-ball like those guy's.
Your true talent shows up in 10-ball.
Mark Gregory
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personally.. I believe that call shot, call safe makes 10 ball a distinct separate pool game. it makes 10 ball a game unto itself...
playing 10 ball under 9 ball rules.. is the same exact game with one more ball.
I am of the belief that 9 ball should have been a call shot game... no one will ever change 9 ball..but 10 ball, being new, gives us a chance to reinvent rotation pool.. calling your shot gives 10 ball a respectability among casual pool players. that 9 ball has never held.
the differences between 9/10 ball are minimal as it is.. call shot is the only remarkable difference..
for my money they should just add the last 5 and play 15 ball.. call shot . and the additional balls make cluster management an integral part of the game... as it is in 14.1,and 8 ball. you expand the horizon of rotation pool while also incorporating valid cue skills that are absent from the game of 9 ball.
That's what I'm thinking about at 2 am on memorial day??? LOL this pool thing is taking over my life LOL
playing 10 ball under 9 ball rules.. is the same exact game with one more ball.
I am of the belief that 9 ball should have been a call shot game... no one will ever change 9 ball..but 10 ball, being new, gives us a chance to reinvent rotation pool.. calling your shot gives 10 ball a respectability among casual pool players. that 9 ball has never held.
the differences between 9/10 ball are minimal as it is.. call shot is the only remarkable difference..
for my money they should just add the last 5 and play 15 ball.. call shot . and the additional balls make cluster management an integral part of the game... as it is in 14.1,and 8 ball. you expand the horizon of rotation pool while also incorporating valid cue skills that are absent from the game of 9 ball.
That's what I'm thinking about at 2 am on memorial day??? LOL this pool thing is taking over my life LOL