10 ball, world skill level test, let's find out how players rate.

Doe's the player receiving the results of a lifeline push out get to refuse the results or
must play it as it lays?
Doe's the lifeline push-out have any requirement's, the distinction between a legal
safety and a legal lifeline push out are clear?

..lime popcorn may not be a good seller.
 
Dan_B said:
Doe's the player receiving the results of a lifeline push out get to refuse the results or
must play it as it lays?
Doe's the lifeline push-out have any requirement's, the distinction between a legal
safety and a legal lifeline push out are clear?

..lime popcorn may not be a good seller.
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The use of a lifeline has nothing to do with committing a foul, it's a safty play, no different than a pushout after the break, and the incoming player does have the option to pass the shot back to the shooter, OR....use his lifeline to pushout back, then offer the new position back to his opposing player to accept or decline, either way, from then on during play, there are no more lifelines to fall back on. And just because a player uses his lifeline and pushes out, that don't mean the incoming player has to use his, he may choose to attempt a legal safty shot by accepting the pushout position. Which means he still has his lifeline, while his opponent has used his up!!
 
Official 10-ball is a call shot game. 10-ball from break or combination is not a win.. at least on Europe.
 
Poolmanis said:
Official 10-ball is a call shot game. 10-ball from break or combination is not a win.. at least on Europe.
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Rules change evrywhere buddy, that's why tournamnts need standardised rules in which they're the same tournament rules no matter where you play. Rather than create a Pro level of play, rules were changed to keep the less than Pro level of players involved, and interested in playing....have to have SOMEONE to sell this shit to, Pro's ain't got no money,.... EVERYONE already knows that!!! So, sacrifice the Pro's and go after the players with jobs, you can ALWAYS sell them hopes and dreams of calling themselves GOOD ENOUGH TO GO PRO!!! No, i know my skill level test system is a dream crusher, all i can say is.....people better hope and pray my glue sales combined with free access to teaching the world how to work on pool tables correctly, and sparking a change from the table mechanics level and up....right up through the customers who WANT their pool tables worked on right, and insist that be the case, because if i can capture that sales....the proceeds is going towards change!!!
 
I'm NOT talking about pool table mechanic work, hell that don't even enter the picture until you can be a good installer first. And in case anyone thinks an installer is a pool table mechanic, you couldn't be more wrong. An INSTALLER is that FIRST guy to set up your brand new pool table. He's the guy you call to replace the cloth, or the cushions, or level the pool table. There's only ONE Mark Gregory and Realkingcobra, and Mark and i can battle back and forth all day about who's a better table mechanic, but at the end of the day....it don't mean shit, because YOU, the customer ultimately have to call on someone in YOUR region of the world to do installer level work on your pool table (s), and if it's not done right, don't be TO hard on the hack, because there's NO WHERE TO LEARN FROM!! And for what it's worth, even Mark will agree, my system of installing the clothnis the nuts, as he today, is using my system to stretch index, and glue install the bed cloths!! And when it comes to challenging my work, the world can get in line, snooker tables included!!!
 
Poolmanis said:
Official 10-ball is a call shot game. 10-ball from break or combination is not a win.. at least on Europe.
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With the exception of the 10 on the break, if the pocket the 10 is called to go in....goes in on a legal stroke, it's good enogh for my liking. I use to hate playing 9 ball because of the 9 ball slingshot counting, for that very reason. But trust me when i say, some excitement NEEDS to be put BACK into the game!!
 
I'm always getting at least 4 balls past the side pockets on the break, but what happens when they hit the rails and go back up table? For example 5 balls go past the side pockets, but 2 of them hit the rails and go back up table and are no longer resting past the side pockets? Do I count that as 3 or does it count that they initially passed the side pockets?...Thanks!
 
tim913 said:
I'm always getting at least 4 balls past the side pockets on the break, but what happens when they hit the rails and go back up table? For example 5 balls go past the side pockets, but 2 of them hit the rails and go back up table and are no longer resting past the side pockets? Do I count that as 3 or does it count that they initially passed the side pockets?...Thanks!
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They still count, even if they don't stay up table past the sixe pockets, that don't take away the fact that they did cross the centerline, but it don't matter if you make 10 balls pst the side pockets, there's a maximum of 4 bonus points awarded per break.
 
realkingcobra said:
They still count, even if they don't stay up table past the sixe pockets, that don't take away the fact that they did cross the centerline, but it don't matter if you make 10 balls pst the side pockets, there's a maximum of 4 bonus points awarded per break.
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OK Thanks!
 
And i can assure everyone that Cory Duel can soft break, and run out every rack, scoring a perfect 100....and NOT make the cut into the top 16 with out getting him some of them bonus points to HELP boost his score....you can take that to the bank!!
 
OK, now that I asked all those questions and answered,
I went back and read your first post instructions, makes cents, let's rack...
 
Dan_B said:
OK, now that I asked all those questions and answered,
I went back and read your first post instructions, makes cents, let's rack...
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So, be the first to describe your table and post up your test score for all to see, beat, or fall short, but let the ladder building begin:thumbup:
 
Poolmanis said:
Official 10-ball is a call shot game. 10-ball from break or combination is not a win.. at least on Europe.
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By the fact that 10 ball has different rules in different regions of the world, is one of the biggest indications that no one is in control of this sport, an therefore that is another reason there is no, and never has been, a real Pro Tour with Pro's getting paid!

Take the test, and post your score please:thumbup:
 
This is easy,
nothing to it,
maybe 30 minutes.
The Q is the count past the center line

Looks like I'm Gold right now'

You get to call it what you will

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Track conditions: 60 degrees 100% humidity slow
modified 9' model: EXTRAORDINAIRE 102 x 42
4 1/8" snooker bend (gate keepers) pockets with a 3/4" shelf, Big Mouth side pockets.
Pretty Pink K 55 cushions
Gorina 2000 with M cloth rails blue/green
Break and play worker B cue

There you go..

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Dan_B said:
This is easy,
nothing to it,
maybe 30 minutes.
The Q is the count past the center line

Looks like I'm Gold right now'

You get to call it what you will

View attachment 485215

Track conditions: 60 degrees 100% humidity slow
modified 9' 102 x 42
4 1/8" snooker bend (gate keepers) pockets with a 3/4" shelf, Big Mouth side pockets.
Pretty Pink K 55 cushions
Gorina 2000 with M cloth rails blue/green

There you go..

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I like it, and i like your score sheet, very nice. And yes, it's a fast test, how did you like it? 28 bonus points and 3 rack points, so far you have the highest score at 31 out of the maximum 150 possible, which would require 10 breaks making the 10 ball on every break, otherwise the maximum possible score with no 10 ball breaks is 140. Thank you, now lets see who posts next.
 
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Dan_B said:
This is easy,
nothing to it,
maybe 30 minutes.
The Q is the count past the center line

Looks like I'm Gold right now'

You get to call it what you will

View attachment 485215

Track conditions: 60 degrees 100% humidity slow
modified 9' 102 x 42
4 1/8" snooker bend (gate keepers) pockets with a 3/4" shelf, Big Mouth side pockets.
Pretty Pink K 55 cushions
Gorina 2000 with M cloth rails blue/green

There you go..

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And this is what I've been saying all along, by being able to establish a skill leve test system, we can break players into 3 categories fairly, Pro, Semi-Pro, and amateur, and have tournaments based around the players actual skills, then like i said, all divisions lead to world championships, REAL world championships!!!
 
One other point i might make, because people are going to ask about sand bagging to stay at a lower rating, if you keep track of a players pocketing abilitys on THEIR break, you can score 10 racks from their break on during any tournament from game to game, match to match, all you have to do is score any 10 racks on their break.
 
If for example, a player in the amateurs skill tested at say a 43, but playing in the regionals and working his way up the tournament ladder, he's playing at an 80 level, that's a dead give away that the player might just belong in the Semi-Pros, so the player is subject to being bumped up on that basis.
 
I read through this thread and the others concerning this topic and although I might not see through this concept completely, I think it is at least a bit...ambitious.

Skill tests are fun and I for myself like a challenge, although I already know I won`t get a score worth mentioning.

But I want to draw attention to the fallacy concerning the pro status. The points made here have, although it is claimed to be a worldwide concept, a very american view on things.

The steps from amateur to semi pro to pro, are very well developed in other countries. There are regionals and nationals and the best players are drafted for the national team. Being part of the national team is the basis for governmental fundings, sponsorships and access to coaches and training facilities.
Maintaining this pro/national team status is often linked to earning medals/ titels in “official” World-European- Asian Championships or established tours or tournaments. So many players and national organisations might hesitate to accept an alternative pro tour or World Championship.

But I won`t deny, that IF the big money, that is promised to go along with this new events, will come, some players will be attracted to compete.

That said, as I understand a certain part of the prize fund, at least in the beginning, will be collected through marketing the certified new playing equipment….tables, cloth, glue, maybe ball sets etc..

So you will need people/ officials/ fitters, who control all the tables worldwide to prevent cheating or manipulation to give everyone a fair chance to be part of the race to the tournaments and the more I think about it, I guess the only way to do so is to have official referees, who monitor every single attempt at this ability test...again, worldwide.

Another thing with which I don`t agree is the potential spread of this new “official” playing materials. Most countries just have a handful of pro players, so there is no need for new tables in every single club or pool hall.
If I would be a national official and I would hop on this idea, I would say:” Ok, there is this new Pro Tour and I want our players to be part of it. We set up ONE table in our academy/training center and let it get approved, so all our established pros, aspiring semipros and young talents can practice there and can get their scores submitted to the ranking list!”

Which is the same way it is handled right now, because most clubs and pool halls can`t afford to buy and maintain professional equipment. Granted, there will be some private citizens or club owner, who want to have the new setup too, but I wouldn`t calculate with a wide spread of the new equipment, but one to five tables per country.

So as much as I would love to see a worldwide Pro Tour, a meaningful World Ranking and overall a revaluation of professional pool, I highly doubt, that these plans will be the answer to the ultimate question of Billiards, the universe, and everything.
 
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