$10 Moori tips?

[cuesmith]

You're supposed to make a living not a killing.... $50 a tip is insane

For the record, the only place I've ever seen someone charge that much for a moori tip installed, was at a tournament, where, on top of the normal overhead, the repairman had an additional $800-$1300 for a weekends booth rental and other expenses expenses to cover. Sure it seems high, and it is, but so is the cost of doing business! The repairman has many thousands of dollars tied up in his equipment and inventory, in order to provide a service. If he can't make a reasonable OVERALL profit, than why bother!

I have an apprentice who's been a luthier (guitar builder) in the Nashville area for many years. He once told me that he wanted to make cues instead of guitars because the musicians were "such a pain in the ass to deal with"! He said they all want everything for nothing! All I could say was "You're jumping out of the frying pan into the fire"!


just more hot air!

Sherm

 

[Shorty]

And Shorty,
I would never charge you more because of your situation but I would consider charging you more because of your actions and responces on this forum.
Think about it!

It's okay Mike...like someone said...no one is putting a gun to my head anyway.

Shorty

 

[Billy_Bob]

I get them at cost directly from Mr. Moori himself...

I have tried searching for information about Moori tips, how they are made, etc. Or a web site describing how they are different from other tips.

It seems to me that these tips are *very* consistent.

Can you explain if when they make them, if they in fact do try to make them be more consistent? Or other interesting information about these tips?

It would be helpful if Mr. Moori could put up a web site (in English) with basic information about these tips. Also how best to maintain them. How best to initially shape them. How to keep the best surface on the tips, etc.

 

[Koop]

You're supposed to make a living not a killing.... $50 a tip is insane

Mike charges $35 for Moori and then the prices go down from there. I agree that $50 is too much but what I can tell you is, based on my experience with Mike, he will never charge you for something you don't need.
I was actually thinking of putting a Moori on my cue and he talked me into a Triangle instead which cost me all of $15. Thanks again for that one.

I guess this is more directed at Shorty for the rip-off statement because I have not met anyone more ethical and honest, in any business, than Mike.
Another time I had a Schon and didn't like the feel of the wrap so I was going to have Mike install a new one. Instead of charging me what it would have cost in material and time he said don't bother, I can just tighten that wrap up and press it. Saved me about $40 on that one.

Not sure who you've been dealing with but I can tell you that not all cuemakers and repairman should be lumped into a blanket statement like that.

My $.02
Koop

 

[Michael Webb]

I thought Mr. Moori had died a couple years ago and now the tips were being mass produced and that's why the price came down so far in the last couple of years. If I can recall correctly, I think I got that info right here on this board.

The story I got was,he took some time off to take care of his mom who was ill. You know how stories spread.

 

[catscradle]

... because I have not met anyone more ethical and honest, in any business, than Mike.
...
My $.02
Koop

Tap-tap-tap.

 

[macguy]

If your friend wants to sell some @$3.00 each, Sign me up.

He had two tins of them and like a fool was selling them to the guys in the pool room for what he paid. He had been in Japan and made some kind of contact. He only got them the one time but it was interesting the price he was able to get them for.

 

[vapoolplayer]

He had two tins of them and like a fool was selling them to the guys in the pool room for what he paid. He had been in Japan and made some kind of contact. He only got them the one time but it was interesting the price he was able to get them for.

this sounds like the "10 minutes after you left" line you hear from friend when you leave a party early...........

"dude, 10 minutes after you left, 10 pornstars showed up and we had a huge orgy, but it'll NEVER EVER happen again"

he got mooris for 3 bucks once, but it'll never ever happen again.......right.

VAP

 

[1pRoscoe]

"dude, 10 minutes after you left, 10 pornstars showed up and we had a huge orgy, but it'll NEVER EVER happen again"

I didn't leave early, and it did happen....

 

[macguy]

Cause cuemakers and repair guys like to rip people off...

Here is the scoop...you can buy Moori's cheap, 10 bucks or less just about anywhere. They are really no harder to put on than any other tip...but because they are so popular, the cuemakers and repair guys decided, hey...let me capitalize on this and charge more for the tip...make it seem like a premium. I can't blame them at all...but when a guy starts charging 50 bucks to put a Moori on a cue...I get a little PO'd. And yes, I have seen guys charge this much.

What I do is buy my own tips...and just ask the repair guy, how much to put a tip on if I supply the tip? He usually will say 7-10 bucks...then I hand him the Moori and have him do it. The look of disappointment on his face is a dead giveaway. I have done this SEVERAL times with SEVERAL different repair guys, and they all give me the "damn I should of said more" look.

Does anybody do anything in pool without trying to screw someone out of a buck these days?

Shorty

I like it when they have their own tips. I don't like to put on Moori tips for the reason they expect you to warrantee the tips. If they don't like the tip, and many players who are trying them for them first time don't, they expect you to replace the tip. No problem with a LePro or Triangle, but how can you just replace a tip that cost you so much, you end up losing money. Bring your own tip, no problem and if you hate the tip after it is put on it's that is your problem. You aren't making some move on the cue repair guy with your own tip, you are doing him a favor, he is off the hook now if the tip stinks..

 

[EL'nino]

Mike charges $35 for Moori and then the prices go down from there. I agree that $50 is too much but what I can tell you is, based on my experience with Mike, he will never charge you for something you don't need.
I was actually thinking of putting a Moori on my cue and he talked me into a Triangle instead which cost me all of $15. Thanks again for that one.

I guess this is more directed at Shorty for the rip-off statement because I have not met anyone more ethical and honest, in any business, than Mike.
Another time I had a Schon and didn't like the feel of the wrap so I was going to have Mike install a new one. Instead of charging me what it would have cost in material and time he said don't bother, I can just tighten that wrap up and press it. Saved me about $40 on that one.

Not sure who you've been dealing with but I can tell you that not all cuemakers and repairman should be lumped into a blanket statement like that.

My $.02
Koop

I didn't lump anyone into anything. And at no point did I bring Mikes ethics into play. When I put the word "you're" in that line it was in general not aimed at anyone specific.

 

[macguy]

I'll take a case at that price too.


10$ is the cheapest I have ever seen them.


Dave

Atlas sells them for less then $10.00 now and isn't giving them away, I am sure they make a nice profit.

 

[cueman]

Cause cuemakers and repair guys like to rip people off...

Here is the scoop...you can buy Moori's cheap, 10 bucks or less just about anywhere. They are really no harder to put on than any other tip...but because they are so popular, the cuemakers and repair guys decided, hey...let me capitalize on this and charge more for the tip...make it seem like a premium. I can't blame them at all...but when a guy starts charging 50 bucks to put a Moori on a cue...I get a little PO'd. And yes, I have seen guys charge this much.

What I do is buy my own tips...and just ask the repair guy, how much to put a tip on if I supply the tip? He usually will say 7-10 bucks...then I hand him the Moori and have him do it. The look of disappointment on his face is a dead giveaway. I have done this SEVERAL times with SEVERAL different repair guys, and they all give me the "damn I should of said more" look.

Does anybody do anything in pool without trying to screw someone out of a buck these days?

Shorty

Think about the other side of the coin for a minute Shorty. I normally charge $25 to put a Moori on. If the tip just happened to be bad I was trying to put on I would cut it off and put another one on for free. I also include a free tip trimming after a week or so with the tip if it was my tip. So your $10 tip that I put on for you for $10 would cost you $20. Yes you save $5 but to say they would be ripping you off by charging $25 is insane. You get the guarantee and free trimming for the extra $5. If you have a tip go bad while putting it on that the customer provided you should not have to cover the cost of the tip. But the customer will still feel you should. And layered tips are the most likely to fail. So it is best not to put tips on for customers using their tip unless you warn them first. And yes I have had to replace some Moori tips that went bad either while putting it on or later. Now if they are charging you $50 to put it on I can understand your feelings. Another issue is if they are paying over $1000 to set up a booth like they do at many big tournaments how can we blame them for charging more for their work at those venues?
Retail price on a Moori Tip alone is about $20. Atlas is a company that sells to cuemakers and repairmen and their prices reflect the fact they are selling under retail to those who make a living or at least part time money doing it. I sell Moori tips on my site for 10 for $100 and give a better break once they buy more also. I am sure you have been around long enough to understand the difference between retail and wholesale. Is everyone who does not sell everything they have at wholesale prices to everyone on the street ripping them off? If everyone sold everything at wholesale in any quantity our economy would go broke. Their would only be big warehouses to shop and no smaller stores.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

 

[macguy]

this sounds like the "10 minutes after you left" line you hear from friend when you leave a party early...........

"dude, 10 minutes after you left, 10 pornstars showed up and we had a huge orgy, but it'll NEVER EVER happen again"

he got mooris for 3 bucks once, but it'll never ever happen again.......right.

VAP

I don't know, he ordered them after he returned so it would be possable I guess to get them again. This was a couple of years ago so he may have to pay more now. Atlas sells them for as low as $7.00 and are making a profit so it shows how low the direct price may be.

 

[1pRoscoe]

I don't know, he ordered them after he returned so it would be possable I guess to get them again. This was a couple of years ago so he may have to pay more now. Atlas sell them for as low as $7.00 and are making a profit so it shows how low the direct price may be.

their cost is probably slightly lower than that by a few cents, but in order to get that price, Atlas has to purchase probably 5000+

 

[macguy]

their cost is probably slightly lower than that by a few cents, but in order to get that price, Atlas has to purchase probably 5000+

I used to get them just a few years ago from a guy in California for $6.00 a tip and he was marking a profit on them. I think he owned a pool room someone else may know who I am talking about he was a pretty good supplier. I also got them from Sang Lee for about the same price.

 

[pbat2751]

Mike charges $35 for Moori and then the prices go down from there. I agree that $50 is too much but what I can tell you is, based on my experience with Mike, he will never charge you for something you don't need.
I was actually thinking of putting a Moori on my cue and he talked me into a Triangle instead which cost me all of $15. Thanks again for that one.

I guess this is more directed at Shorty for the rip-off statement because I have not met anyone more ethical and honest, in any business, than Mike.
Another time I had a Schon and didn't like the feel of the wrap so I was going to have Mike install a new one. Instead of charging me what it would have cost in material and time he said don't bother, I can just tighten that wrap up and press it. Saved me about $40 on that one.

Not sure who you've been dealing with but I can tell you that not all cuemakers and repairman should be lumped into a blanket statement like that.

My $.02
Koop

I agree

http://www.webbcues.com/cuerepairs.html

Those are the prices you'll pay.

 

[Koop]

I didn't lump anyone into anything. And at no point did I bring Mikes ethics into play. When I put the word "you're" in that line it was in general not aimed at anyone specific.

I apologize for using your quote but it was only intended on the $50. The rest was for Shorty not you. I apologize if it seemed as though I was attacking you because I wasn't.

Dave

 

[EL'nino]

I apologize for using your quote but it was only intended on the $50. The rest was for Shorty not you. I apologize if it seemed as though I was attacking you because I wasn't.

Dave

Boy do I feel better.... I thought I was gettin' beat up again. Just to show ya that there's no hard feelings I'll let you give me the 5 & 7, how's that?

 

[TheOne]

I'm talking to a supplier here in Taiwan about various billiard products and he says the best he can sell moori tips for is $8 each. I thought that was good at first but if anyone knows a wholeseller in asia where I can get them cheaper please let me know?

Cheers