$10 Moori tips?

[Shorty]

And everybody is up my backside about this...so don't worry about it, Koop. I am not losing any sleep over the fact that I don't wanna pay 50 bucks for a Moori on my cue. A rip off is a rip off...and as a consumer I will do business with whom I wish. Mike has made it clear he does not want my business, and that's fine. Chris over there as well...that is fine too. I just take my toys and play elsewhere is all. To me it's nothing to get ruffled over or bothered by. We should not be expected to get along in perfect harmony. I admit I did make a mistake in lumping all cuemakers and repair guys into one bucket, but my request is simply to say, prove me wrong if you are not out to screw someone out of a dollar. To me, it's the same thing as gambling only when you have a lock. Do honest work and charge a reasonable fee and I will pay you. Simple as that.

That's my opinion...and I am allowed to have one...even at 32 inches tall...*wink*

Shorty

 

[linds]

I'm talking to a supplier here in Taiwan about various billiard products and he says the best he can sell moori tips for is $8 each. I thought that was good at first but if anyone knows a wholeseller in asia where I can get them cheaper please let me know?

Cheers

i'll sell you some at $6 each...

 

[Koop]

Boy do I feel better.... I thought I was gettin' beat up again. Just to show ya that there's no hard feelings I'll let you give me the 5 & 7, how's that?

Deal

 

[cueman]

A rip off is a rip off...and as a consumer I will do business with whom I wish. Mike has made it clear he does not want my business, and that's fine. Chris over there as well...that is fine too. I just take my toys and play elsewhere is all.
Shorty

I am not sure what you mean by "Chris over there as well" ???? I think I made some valid points and asked some valid questions which were not answered. Did I say I did not want your business? I showed you how for the $5 or so difference in me providing the tip and you providing the tip means no warranty and no free re-trim and reshape. That is what you lose for providing your own tip and saving $5.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

 

[merylane]

Before you respond with total negativity, Think of this,
Do you make or repair cues
Do you tie up thousands of dollars in stock
Do you measure the waste
Do you measure what sits on the shelf, so when customers need something, you have it.
It is standard business to price items based on results and demand.
It's called business and the right to make a living.

Do you have a job?
Do you make more than minimum wage.
Why?
You don't need to answer but you do need to understand, Everyone thinks because we're in the billiard industry, it's different from other business.
The only difference is we try to explain it to you,
Try that when you go food shopping and you want Porterhouse instead of London broil for the same price.

i think before you ask shorty all those ?'s , maybee you should explain why you would charge a different price for the same amount of labor?

 

[catscradle]

i think before you ask shorty all those ?'s , maybee you should explain why you would charge a different price for the same amount of labor?

Maybe he is charging the same amount for labor, but the price isn't broken out like when you have work done on your car. Isn't a cuemaker entitled to make a profit merely for the act of selling the tip to you? More expensive the tip to him, the bigger the markup to you, that's just retailing 101. Don't you think the car mechanics markup on a new alternator is greater than that on a rebuilt alternator. The labor is the same, but the markup is greater on the item itself because the base cost is greater.
Makes sense to me and if his charge is too high he'll soon find himself selling no tips.

 

[merylane]

Maybe he is charging the same amount for labor, but the price isn't broken out like when you have work done on your car. Isn't a cuemaker entitled to make a profit merely for the act of selling the tip to you? More expensive the tip to him, the bigger the markup to you, that's just retailing 101. Don't you think the car mechanics markup on a new alternator is greater than that on a rebuilt alternator. The labor is the same, but the markup is greater on the item itself because the base cost is greater.
Makes sense to me and if his charge is too high he'll soon find himself selling no tips.

why should parts and labor be different here?

 

[Michael Webb]

I did not single you out Shorty, I always read your posts with as much respect as they deserve BUT you did say, Cuemakers and Repair people rip people off, That's an attack on everyone who repairs and builds cues. Some of us actually care about things that go on. It is also normal business tp price things on supply and demand of a certain product. Not just billiards, everywhere. I have some old Southwest Micarta ferrules that will never leave my shop because, I have it and should be paid for it. It's not greed, it's getting paid for something that certain people feel better about having.

I will give you a PERFECT EXAMPLE about caring.
With your cue that you paid $250.00 for and didn't like by another cuemaker
Remember this,
I sent him an email asking if I could help in that situation because you made a big stink about it, Not my business but I offered him assistance because he was a fellow cuemaker and I didn't want him to get a bad name for unjust reasons. He said he had it covered but again I offered.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Installing Moori for $35 is not ripoff.
So, the maker makes $25. He eats the bad ones too when one delaminates.
I paid $35 for a Moori installed back in the 90's.
So, $35 today, is still reasonable.
Some people complain about paying $125 for a good shaft too.
That is more than reasonable these days. It should really be $150 and up for a A grade shaft.

 

[catscradle]

why should parts and labor be different here?

That's the point it should be the same rationale as a mechanic's charges or a plumbers charges or anybody else who sells parts and service. There is a markup on the part (a tip in this case) plus a charge for the labor. I'll make up numbers here to show what I'm getting at. Let's say it takes a cuemaker 1/2 hour to put on a tip and his going rate is 20 bucks an hour, that's 10.00 for labor. Let's say his mark up is 50% (cheap by retail standards). If he buys a Le Pro for a buck and marks it up to 1.50, that's 11.50 with the labor, total markup 10.50. If he buys a Moori for 10 bucks and marks it up to 15 bucks, that's 25 with the labor, total markup 15.00. The difference is the markup on the price of the item not the labor.
Does that make more sense?

 

[matthew staton]

I did not single you out Shorty, I always read your posts with as much respect as they deserve BUT you did say, Cuemakers and Repair people rip people off, That's an attack on everyone who repairs and builds cues. Some of us actually care about things that go on. It is also normal business tp price things on supply and demand of a certain product. Not just billiards, everywhere. I have some old Southwest Micarta ferrules that will never leave my shop because, I have it and should be paid for it. It's not greed, it's getting paid for something that certain people feel better about having.

I will give you a PERFECT EXAMPLE about caring.
With your cue that you paid $250.00 for and didn't like by another cuemaker
Remember this,
I sent him an email asking if I could help in that situation because you made a big stink about it, Not my business but I offered him assistance because he was a fellow cuemaker and I didn't want him to get a bad name for unjust reasons. He said he had it covered but again I offered.

YEllow micarta ferrules how much would one of these cost just intrested they play great I would espect to pay more than ivory they just play awsome...

 

[Flex]

You're supposed to make a living not a killing.... $50 a tip is insane

I couldn't agree more about the $50 to install one. When I heard how good they were, I bought some on eBay, and installed them myself. Never had one pop off on me.

I've used all 3 Mooris, and they are fine, but I'm really happy with the Talisman Pro Hard pigskin tips....

Price is right and one great tip.

When I mentioned the Talismans to a local cue repairman/ tip replacer, he showed me a mushy tip he said was a Talisman. Heck, he probably beat it up with a hammer to make it get like that. After, I ordered the Talisman and installed it and loved it, and told him I thought it was better than the Mooris. He asked me not to tell the other players at the pool hall that, because they wouldn't want to buy his Mooris, of which he had a few. Seems to me that if he were to lower his prices on the Mooris to a reasonable 20 bucks or so that he'd get more business, and sell more of them, because at $20-25 he'd undercut the other guys in the area. I wonder why that hasn't occurred to him?

Flex

 

[Shorty]

I will give you a PERFECT EXAMPLE about caring.
With your cue that you paid $250.00 for and didn't like by another cuemaker
Remember this,
I sent him an email asking if I could help in that situation because you made a big stink about it, Not my business but I offered him assistance because he was a fellow cuemaker and I didn't want him to get a bad name for unjust reasons. He said he had it covered but again I offered.

Yeah he had it covered alright...I sent him the cue back which he received on May 17th and here it is over a month later and I STILL don't have my money back. He agreed the cue was in perfect condition as when he sent it to me. Now I have dug and found his phone number and address, only reason I have not contacted him is I was hoping to be a nice guy and let him contact me. So far, nothing. No phone calls...no emails...nothing. Yeap, sounds pretty covered to me. Nice and honest cuemaker there I bet eh Mike?

And yes, I will gladly pay 35 for a Moori installed...eventhough a cuemaker I know locally did it for me for 25. It depends on who's doing it and whether I get a guarantee like Chris was talking about. Many times though, I am showing up from out of town and I doubt I will ever see that cuemaker again. I will just stick to my local guys, thanks though Chris.

Shorty

 

[vapoolplayer]

i happily pay 30 bucks for a moori tip. i even have it cut in half when its installed because i don't like a tall tip. so that means i'm getting a new tip every other month or so because of how much i play.

its only money people, besides, how many of you actually need a new tip more than a few times a year???

you're bitching about getting the best tips (in my opinion) a couple times a year for 30 bucks???

if you dont like it, buy a 12 dollar lepro.

VAP

 

[Murray Tucker]

And everybody is up my backside about this...so don't worry about it, Koop. I am not losing any sleep over the fact that I don't wanna pay 50 bucks for a Moori on my cue. A rip off is a rip off...and as a consumer I will do business with whom I wish.
Shorty

They are up your back side because you are way out of line on this one. 50.00 is not the going rate for a moori tip and you using it as a example to call those of us who repair cues crooks is bull shit. You can get them installed by good cue mechanics who will do a quality job and stand behind their work for 35.00 or less all day long. You should know and trust your repair person because there is much more at stake than just your tip. Let some hack butcher your ferrule or worse and you will know what I am taking about. I'm not the cheapest in my area but I do lots of repairs and I have lots of satisfied customers who keep coming back to me and recomending me to others. Sometimes the best value is not the cheapest price.

 

[Flex]

I'm not the cheapest in my area but I do lots of repairs and I have lots of satisfied customers who keep coming back to me and recomending me to others. Sometimes the best value is not the cheapest price.

I couldn't agree with you more... sometimes the best value is not the cheapest price, no doubt about it. I once saw a sign at a taxidermist's shop: "Poor quality wll be long remembered after the low price is forgotten" -- how true. Sooo... seek first the best quality and then dicker to get what seems a fair price, and you won't be disappointed...

Flex

 

[merylane]

That's the point it should be the same rationale as a mechanic's charges or a plumbers charges or anybody else who sells parts and service. There is a markup on the part (a tip in this case) plus a charge for the labor. I'll make up numbers here to show what I'm getting at. Let's say it takes a cuemaker 1/2 hour to put on a tip and his going rate is 20 bucks an hour, that's 10.00 for labor. Let's say his mark up is 50% (cheap by retail standards). If he buys a Le Pro for a buck and marks it up to 1.50, that's 11.50 with the labor, total markup 10.50. If he buys a Moori for 10 bucks and marks it up to 15 bucks, that's 25 with the labor, total markup 15.00. The difference is the markup on the price of the item not the labor.
Does that make more sense?

well my mechanic doesnt charge more for the parts, just his cost.

and his price is always cheaper than i could buy it for, even his oil.

go figger ????

people are alowed to charge what they want but sometimes it dont make sence?

 

[Rackin_Zack]

And yes, I will gladly pay 35 for a Moori installed...eventhough a cuemaker I know locally did it for me for 25. It depends on who's doing it and whether I get a guarantee like Chris was talking about. Many times though, I am showing up from out of town and I doubt I will ever see that cuemaker again. I will just stick to my local guys, thanks though Chris.

Shorty

The thing that I don't get is the fact that everyone expects cuemakers to make next to nothing on anything they do. Shorty, you said you make around $68K a year. I'm sure you do whatever you do well and get a premium for it. So, why do you begrudge a highly skilled cue maker/repairman from getting paid according to their ability?

 

[catscradle]

well my mechanic doesnt charge more for the parts, just his cost.

and his price is always cheaper than i could buy it for, even his oil.

go figger ????

people are alowed to charge what they want but sometimes it dont make sence?

You're lucky or maybe mechanics just do things differently in your neck of the woods than they do in mine.

 

[Shorty]

The thing that I don't get is the fact that everyone expects cuemakers to make next to nothing on anything they do. Shorty, you said you make around $68K a year. I'm sure you do whatever you do well and get a premium for it. So, why do you begrudge a highly skilled cue maker/repairman from getting paid according to their ability?

I ain't begrudging all cuemakers and repair guys...I am saying that I won't pay 50 bucks for a Moori for my Schon. Period. That is all. I have a guy in St. Augustine that does excellent work and I will gladly tip him an extra five bucks even for his work. I am so horrible for saying that? It is just an opinion...please try to overlook it.

Geez louise...are we all on PMS today or what? And by the way, PMS stands for Pissy Midget Syndrome.

Shorty