And therein lies the problem. You seem to lack any understanding of even the
most basic idea of a championship... to determine the best player, not to provide the
most entertaining viewing experience for streamers.
Dale
14.1 not fair both players should be given a chance to run balls
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And therein lies the problem. You seem to lack any understanding of even the
most basic idea of a championship... to determine the best player, not to provide the
most entertaining viewing experience for streamers.
Dale
Yeah, there are already high run contests and no one would even remotely consider them championship caliber contests. Most rule changes, in my opinion, were made with spectators in mind, not the players.
I thought you wanted pool to flourish, and raise the prize money, how could you do that without many viewers; so they have to be included in the formula what they like to see, who they want..Look at TAR , they asked everyone on AZB of what kind of game they want to see, what race..etc
Your idea will work for local pool hall level, and we will be lucky to see any action on a stream..
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So, I guess I just read a lot better than you do.
The Title of your post referred to your opinion that that 14.1 was not fair.
If you wanted to discuss how to improve viewership, why didn't you put that idea
in the title, instead of the ludicrous assertion you chose?
BTW - there is no chance of either - pool has never been a popular spectator activity,
and never will be in this culture.
Get a map and check out which country we live in.
Dale
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Thanks Dale. I cannot walk before i can crawl, if i put viewer ship in the title no one will look at the post!
Like every post things take a turn here and there! viewer ship issue came i believe last few posts only. Basically when Bob suggested race to 1000, which is a 5 to 8 hours match, i know for myself i will not be able to sit that long to watch the stream!
BTW - there is no chance of either - pool has never been a popular spectator activity,
and never will be in this culture.
Get a map and check out which country we live in.
You are wrong, it will flourish eventually at the right time!
Congratulations - you have just proven the fallacy of your own argument.. AND
admitted I was right all along - you are engaging in the behavior of a clueless troll.
Please don't feed the trolls
Dale(yeah, I know, I'm guilty too)
I wish it were as simple as "the basic idea of a championship... to determine the best player".
But you'll never get to hold your championship match unless you figure out how you're going to pay for it. All tournaments are a compromise between format and resources; naji's just trying to inject a little business accumen in the discussion.
BTW, the most successful tournament is the oft-hated Mosconi Cup. Race to 5 with a shot clock. Why? Because we've got to finish the day's flight in the one or two hour TV time window; we've got to hold the fan's attention. Is it a good measure of championship? Of course not. But, so far, it's the best business model out there.
Sorry, but it is exactly as simple as "the basic idea of a championship..."
How to finance a tournament is most certainly a valid subject for discussion. But the
OP chose to troll us with some lame and silly statement he apparently hoped would
incite enough interest in 14.1 fans to get attention.
<insert well known quotation about those who don't know history being doomed to repeat it here>
The ever present wet dream that TV coverage of pool tournaments will miraculously
revive public participation in the game, and shower riches on players and entrepreneurs
alike is a fantasy that just won't die no matter how much cruel reality is brought to bear on the idea.
I could go on for pages, but am not inclined to squander the time.
A few points to ponder.
The phenom that catapulted Snooker to prosperity in the UK is not going to happen
in the USA for reasons of both lack of financial incentives and cultural acceptance.
Even during the 'golden age' of Straight Pool when pool was relatively much more
popular than today, and 14.1 was about 99 and 44/100ths times as popular as
it now is, tournaments, and the pros who participated, were totally subsidized by
Brunswick as a form of product promotion. Never gonna hap'n again.
Dale(who grows weary)
I find this YouTube out there, hope that helps. Race to 3 , 75 points, between Steve Mizerak and Steve Davis, enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PilVaTOyDII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQpsVnhASo8
Dale, my post heading is clear and to the point of what i have intended, with a wide subject like this things get injected into the thread, IMO, i do not think it is a waste of time, after all is't the goal of AZB to connect and kill some time, entertain, and learn.
And so is reading the morning paper with a cup of coffee (which, incidentally, this particular reader [me] does, both mornings and on 5-minute breaks at work).
But just because you're an avid reader, and may even contribute to the paper by writing in to offer articles or counterpoint to articles, doesn't mean that you are changing the news itself.
Want a rough analogy that I think is equivalent to what Dale is saying? How about this: imagine you're standing in a shallow pond, and on one side of the pond there's a huge rock wall with a crack in it, and from this crack there's a trickle of spring water that feeds the pond. You walk over to that trickle of spring water, and you start adding drops of food dye into it, to color that water as it trickles into the pond. If you have enough food dye and if you keep doing this, of course the whole pond is going to turn the color of that food dye. However, this only affects the small pond. It has nothing to do with the source of that water, wherever that source is. You'd have to put on your hiking boots, climb over that rock wall, and find where that source(s) of the water are if you want to affect everything that source feeds.
This is like the pool industry. AZB is that small pond. Just because you're putting droplets of food dye into it (or the immediate inlets that are trickling water into it), doesn't mean you're changing the industry itself. You haven't put your hiking boots on and hiked to find that source.
If you want to affect change, you ain't going to do it by sitting at the mouth of an inlet, squirting droplets of dye into the water as it comes in. You're just sitting in your chair at home at your computer (analogous to standing in the little pond) and coloring your own surroundings.
Put your hiking boots on, and write to the WPA, to ESPN, to the many live streamers, to the pool periodicals, to tournament directors, etc. Express your thoughts. Offer ideas. Welcome counterpoint.
If you're so adamant about effecting change, it's helpful to know you're not going to do it by lazily sitting in your chair writing posts to AZB -- and especially not by hiding behind the facade (the "rock wall") of "well, many industry people read AZB, and therefore I 'am' doing a big part." The industry people that do come to the pond, come for the scenery and to be entertained by the little critters swimming in the pond. They certainly don't come to drink standing pond water that needs to be filtered and boiled (otherwise, they'd get sick).
-Sean
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Sean, i do not disagree with what you said, but the point of my original post is clear. and i happen to find a format that is been done by # 1 14.1 shooter. About 6500 people clicked on this post, good enough even if nothing happens, i will consider it marketing campaign,
Race to 3 , 75 points, between Steve Mizerak and Steve Davis,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PilVaTOyDII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQpsVnhASo8
IMO this format is best for players, and streamers and will promote and revive 14.1 game again, adding a player can continue the high run one time if they did 75 and out for max run prize only.
The equipment has to be massively changed to make it challenging for the best players in the game. Especially if you are suggesting a race to 75 best of 3 format. I play 14.1 on snooker tables using the reds as practice and my highest run on a snooker table is 67. The best of the best are going to make mince meat of a race to 75 on loose tables.
"But-but-but Pushout, I'm posting it here precisely for the reason of expanding awareness of 14.1 and helping the game!"
Exactly like those folks on Facebook who are dumping buckets of ice water on themselves and challenging others to do so, "all in the name of raising awareness of ALS (Lou Gehrig's disease)" but without mentioning ALS at all nor donating a single cent to the charity. :scratchhead:
-Sean
Just did. Thanks for pointing out.