14.1 Stats -- 2015 World Tournament, Double- and Single-Elim. Matches, July 2015
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Thank You AtLarge! :smile:
Again very good and informative stats.. as always.
p.s Toastie and Appleton play so high level straight pool it is unbelievable. I remember my best day(ever. I still remember that day after 15 years..) at practice table have similar stats as those they put up always at competitions...
Again very good and informative stats.. as always.
p.s Toastie and Appleton play so high level straight pool it is unbelievable. I remember my best day(ever. I still remember that day after 15 years..) at practice table have similar stats as those they put up always at competitions...
What he said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So the display during 30 minute break had the wrong score?
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Nope- it was correct. Thorsten took his own break, before the 150 mark. Somewhere in the 140's. He went to cool down, because the air conditioning stopped working. He came back and continued to shoot until he missed in the 170's. That's when they took the "intermission". Now, on any other day, that may have been fine, but after the AC stopped working (and it was 100 degree heat index outside), the table conditions deteriorated rapidly. That explains some of the poor play. Both players commented on it after the match.
Yes and no.
The 179-59 score was the score at the completion of 17 full racks (179 + 59 = 238 = 14 x 17). Unless there was a foul during a rack, they were not changing the scoring flipcards until the end of the next rack. The intermission was taken after Thorsten made a break shot (one more point) and then missed a long 2-ball from the head of the table. So the actual score in the match when the intermission was taken was 180 - 59.
But Upstate Al's graphic on the screen during the intermission simply reflected the score that he saw on the scoring flipcards, which had not yet been updated for Thorsten's one additional point prior to intermission.
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Thorsten took his own break while his long run was still in progress, at a score of 165 - 59. After his break, he ran one more full rack, then made a break shot, then missed the 2-ball from up table. 165 + 14 + 1 = 180, his score at intermission. See last post for why the screen said 179.
Here are some aggregate stats for the 13 streamed matches from double- and single-elimination play:
For the 4 games played to 150 Points:
For the 8 games played to 200 Points:
For all 13 double- and single-elimination games, i.e., without regard to whether the game was to 150 points, or 200 points, or 300 points (the finals):
For the 4 games played to 150 Points:
- Points per Inning
• For match winners: 30.0
• For match losers: 20.0
• For both: 25.3
Points per Attempted Scoring Inning
• For match winners: 35.3
• For match losers: 25.7
• For both: 31.0
Points per Miss or Unintentional Foul
• For match winners: 54.5
• For match losers: 25.7
• For both: 38.4
Average (mean) High Run
• For match winners: 78
• For match losers: 67
• For both: 73
Average (median) High Run
• For match winners: 68.5
• For match losers: 62.5
• For both: 68.5
Average (mean) match score: 150 - 90 (losers' scores ranged from 69 - 138)
Average (mean) match length: 102 min. (range 78 min. - 113 min.)
Average (mean) points per minute: 2.4 (range 1.9 - 2.8)
For the 8 games played to 200 Points:
- Points per Inning
• For match winners: 29.1
• For match losers: 11.9
• For both: 20.8
Points per Attempted Scoring Inning
• For match winners: 44.4
• For match losers: 21.0
• For both: 34.0
Points per Miss or Unintentional Foul
• For match winners: 66.7
• For match losers: 24.3
• For both: 45.1
Average (mean) High Run
• For match winners: 108
• For match losers: 42
• For both: 75
Average (median) High Run
• For match winners: 110.5
• For match losers: 47.5
• For both: 62.5
Average (mean) match score: 200 - 76 (losers' scores ranged from 2 - 114)
Average (mean) match length: 138 min. (range 94 min. - 213 min.)
Average (mean) points per minute: 2.0 (range 1.5 - 3.0)
For all 13 double- and single-elimination games, i.e., without regard to whether the game was to 150 points, or 200 points, or 300 points (the finals):
- Points per Inning
• For match winners: 29.1
• For match losers: 15.2
• For both: 22.4
Points per Attempted Scoring Inning
• For match winners: 39.7
• For match losers: 23.3
• For both: 32.3
Points per Miss or Unintentional Foul
• For match winners: 58.1
• For match losers: 26.3
• For both: 41.7
Average (mean) High Run
• For match winners: 100
• For match losers: 51
• For both: 75
Average (median) High Run
• For match winners: 101
• For match losers: 50
• For both: 65
Average (mean) points per minute: 2.0 (range 1.5 - 3.0)
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[31 matches were streamed in full on the primary streaming table. I missed the first few minutes of one of those matches, so that match is excluded from the stats in this post.]
Conventional wisdom -- It is a disadvantage to have to play the opening safety break shot in 14.1 against a good player on a 9-foot table. But what did the stats show in this event?
The breaker won the game 15 times and lost 15 times.
But more immediate than the overall game result is how successful the incoming player's response was to the opening break.
• The non-breaker played safe 3 times, all in the round-robin portion of the event. The breaker responded to those 3 safeties with 2 safes and a run of 27.
• The non-breaker shot and made at least one ball 20 times. The total number of balls pocketed on the non-breaker's first inning was 513 (which includes Hohmann's run of 141 against Strickland).
• The non-breaker shot and missed 7 times. The breaker responded with 2 safes and 5 attempted scoring innings for a total of 136 balls pocketed (which includes Van Boening's 100 and out against Karabotsos).
So, although the number of games here is probably too small to draw any binding conclusions regarding the conventional wisdom, the numbers here don't incline me the other way. In two-thirds of the games, the non-breaker made a ball in his first inning and, therefore, had control of the table.
Conventional wisdom -- It is a disadvantage to have to play the opening safety break shot in 14.1 against a good player on a 9-foot table. But what did the stats show in this event?
The breaker won the game 15 times and lost 15 times.
But more immediate than the overall game result is how successful the incoming player's response was to the opening break.
• The non-breaker played safe 3 times, all in the round-robin portion of the event. The breaker responded to those 3 safeties with 2 safes and a run of 27.
• The non-breaker shot and made at least one ball 20 times. The total number of balls pocketed on the non-breaker's first inning was 513 (which includes Hohmann's run of 141 against Strickland).
• The non-breaker shot and missed 7 times. The breaker responded with 2 safes and 5 attempted scoring innings for a total of 136 balls pocketed (which includes Van Boening's 100 and out against Karabotsos).
So, although the number of games here is probably too small to draw any binding conclusions regarding the conventional wisdom, the numbers here don't incline me the other way. In two-thirds of the games, the non-breaker made a ball in his first inning and, therefore, had control of the table.
Looking at the average runs I can't help thinking the level of play is stellar. The dream of me playing this event comes crashing down making me want to vomit. These guys are out of this world. So is AtLarge providing the mindblowing data! Great job and a gargantuan thank You! :grin:
It's great that we have stats for the past two years. I remember thinking that you needed to average 20 balls per attempted scoring inning in order to be competitive and progress in the event, and 30-35 balls to be an event winner.
I wouldn't be surprised if you averaged out all of Thorsten and Darren's matches they'd likely come out to about 35 balls per inning.
I wouldn't be surprised if you averaged out all of Thorsten and Darren's matches they'd likely come out to about 35 balls per inning.
These are interesting figures......also the total number of safties played.
This year I refuse to honor anybody with the Taberski award...a notable dearth of safties
were played by this field.
But the points per inning was world class.
Thanx for your excellent coverage, AtLarge
Nope; no surprise for you. I looked at all the streamed matches I watched with either of these two players over the last three World events.
Appleton
2013 (4 matches) -- 44.3 points per inning, 66.4 points per attempted scoring inning* (this was the year with his big 200-pt. run)
2014 (4 matches) -- 16.2, 33.3
2015 (6 matches) -- 23.1, 30.1
3-year total -- 23.8, 37.0
Hohmann
2013 (5 matches) -- 22.9, 32.0
2014 (2 matches) -- 18.3, 29.8
2015 (6 matches) -- 33.4, 40.4
3-year total -- 26.1, 35.2
Appleton and Hohmann combined
2013 (9 matches) -- 29.3, 41.8
2014 (6 matches) -- 16.8, 32.2
2015 (12 matches) -- 27.3, 34.4
3-year total -- 24.8, 36.1
*Excludes innings in which he played only a safety or an intentional foul (no attempt to score a point).