14.1 vs 9 ball

Jason Robichaud said:
Just did another 43 run... Someone sent a video and diagrams and it really helped. I finished the video and headed down to the table. First try 43!
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grrrrrr

i've been playing pool for almost 3 years now and finally got my hi-run of 42 a couple weeks ago. you start and within a few weeks you are running 40's? damn...congrats!

you asked about ending your run on the last shot? You can call a ball out of the stack to continue a run, as long as it goes in the designated pocket, but in an actual game, not a good thing to try really.
 
OneArmed said:
grrrrrr

i've been playing pool for almost 3 years now and finally got my hi-run of 42 a couple weeks ago. you start and within a few weeks you are running 40's? damn...congrats!
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Don't feel bad - he was obviously a strong player before, just never played straight pool. There's a lot of that going around.
 
Jason Robichaud said:
Do you guys know if jump cues are allowed? I also followed the 43 with a 57.
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I don't know if they're allowed - I guess it would depend on the particular tournament or league rules. But I think it would be highly unusual to see a straight pool player reach for one, and the same goes for break cues.
 
Watched your video...

Jason

I must admit this is my longest post yet...I guess I had some time and got interested in what you were doing.

Nice run...28 balls is pretty good...actually 29...and you can do much more.

First rack - you were tentative...on most shots you didn't seem really sure of what ball was next. You started tentative and ended tentative. Your first shot left you position for either of two balls in the opposite foot corner pocket. My guess is that you were not playing position for either ball in particular...and you put your cue ball too close to the side rail and either ball didn't look great now. You chose the ball on/close to the rail...which was tougher than it should have been...and knocked the cue ball into the back of the pack. Okay as far as that goes I guess. You finished the rack...nice going...but you got out of line most of the time...and I wonder if you really had a ball in mind...never mind 3 or 4...for your next shot most of the time. Your position on the ball before the key ball on the side rail was out of line and also put you in an awkward position for a left handed player...and you missed position for the key ball...lucky you were able to pocket it with fair position for a break.

Second rack - again after your very first shot after the break you got yourself in trouble...too straight on the object ball and so then put your cue ball in the jaw of the pocket...the last place your cue ball should be with an open rack. Later, with three balls remaining, you played the wrong ball...you should have left the ball closest to the break ball as a key ball...and you found yourself out of position for a good break shot.

Third rack - because you didn't have a good break shot, you hit the side of the pack and played the end ball in the corner pocket...apparently...which you would not do in a match...but which is a legal shot...you should have continued shooting...you were on a 29-ball run.

My overall impressions are that you are a good player...and like many players...better than you think. You have a good enough stroke to run as many balls as you like...your stroke can get better but it's fine. My guess is that your biggest weaknesses are that you A) don't think far enough ahead of what you are doing...what is the plan, and B) you seem to play lazy position...you play for an area...and because you have a weak plan...figure that you'll have a shot over here somewhere. I think you should realize that you have the ability to play position for a spot...like a dime or quarter...instead of a general area.

So there is my best general advice - You are better than you think you are so play that way.

Good luck

Mike
 
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DogsPlayingPool said:
I'm not sure I could give you a good 9-ball run to straight pool run ratio.

Let me say this: If player A is the better 9-ball player and player B is the better straight pool player, I would tend to consider player B the better player. That's just me. :grin:
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I disagree with you.

I love to play 9-ball/10-ball and one-pocket. I don't like 8-ball, and I only like 14-1 for periods, for some reason.

There is a guy that I am playing that is a better 14-1 player than me, he normally beats me in 14-1, and I normally beats him in 9-ball/10-ball. He doesn't enjoy playing 9-ball/10-ball, and I doesn't enjoy playing 14-1 (most of the time)

I mean I am a much better player than him, and the rankings from tournaments + moneygames proves that also.

He is mainly practising 14-1, while I am mainly doing drills or playing the 9/10-ball ghost.

You need different mindset for every game you are playing, but most importantly, you need to enjoy the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying it, you can't perform 100 %.

Another example. I believe Nick van den Berg is a lot better straight pool player than for example Lee Van Corteza.

I would put my money on Lee Van Corteza in any 9-ball/10-ball match between these two players, and my money would be on Nick van den Berg if they played 14-1. Who is the best overall player?

I have seen both of them play a lot, and I believe Lee Van Corteza is the better player. But he will not win against Nick in 14-1
 
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Jason Robichaud said:
Do you guys know if jump cues are allowed? I also followed the 43 with a 57.
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Based on the standard rules jump cues are allowed. Most purists scoff at the idea of course, but I have a video where Steve Mizerak uses one during a match! So if someone tries to stop you, you can get out the rule book and ask them to show you where. Of course if you're in a league or something they may have other rules.
 
If you play following WPA rules jump cues are allowed and they can be quite handy.
I've seen jumps jumped 3 or 4 times myself. Situations where you have open balls on one side of the table and the white on the other with a cluster between are more than a regular thing in 14.1. Jumped in the side and corner with a ball to follow and opening up a short run.
Shame I can't really string a good run together, I'm more a 9-ball player
 
I say there's no comparison. In 9-ball your course is laid out for you, all you need to do is connect the dots. Also, in 9-ball, more often than not, when you get out of line you can recover. In straight pool, more often than not, if you get a little out of position it can ruin your run. Not saying that plenty of runs haven't been stopped in 9-ball by getting a little out of line, but not as much as straight pool. I agree with whoever said they think the 30-40 ball 14.1 player is the better player than the 2-3 rack 9-baller. But again, totally different games.
MULLY
 
about the original post:

My record is 3 racks of 9ball and 39 in 14-1.
My average is: (in training) i clear 50% of my runs, and B&R around 20% of my runs in 9ball. In straightpool my average run is around 14 with highs per session in the 20's.

So 3racks (B&R's, not clearences) equals a 30-40 run for me as both are my record.

jumpcue's: used it before and will use it again. Mostly i've used it in safetyplay, when the only lose ball was behind the rack, to jumpkick it 3 rails back to the pack and cb against the cussion. (ive also missed the jumpshot and smacked the HELL out of the pack and lose the game :D)


Jason: can you give me the link to the 43 run to add to the video section
 
14.1 and 9 ball are the only 2 things i like to play. and they are completely different imo. In 14.1 it is all shot selection. you dont have to worry about that in 9 ball. a strong 9 ball player may be able to move the cue anywhere he wants, but may have horrible shot selection because you dont select anything in 9 ball.

also are u running 3 racks vs the ghost. if so id say 30-40 but if you are breaking and running 3 thats a lil different. i would say your break shots in 14.1 would be better because you probably have a nice controlled break in 9 ball that would carry over into making the intended ball in 14.1 with enough authority to break a cluster open for easy pickens. so i would put that at 50-60 range at least.

few people can break and run 3 regularly due to bad shots on the 1 or not sinking a ball. so dont expect to run 60 or above more times than u can break and run 3 racks.
 
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