15-BALL ROTATION … Fun Challenge, Great Practice, Lots to Learn

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FYI, I just posted a new video that discusses strategy and demonstrates common situations and run-out examples in 15-ball rotation, a fun challenge that will give you great practice, with many opportunities to learn and work on important pool skills including the break, BIH strategy, CB control, shot making, and position play. Be sure to check out Run-Out 3, where "I got lucky" more than a few times:


Content:
0:00 - Intro
1:48 - Break Strategy
4:05 - BIH Strategy
6:00 - CB Control
8:18 - Shot Making
10:19 - Run-Out Examples
---- 10:38 - Run-Out 1
---- 12:04 - Run-Out 2
---- 13:55 - Run-Out 3 ("I got lucky!")
---- 14:41 - Run-Out 4
---- 18:29 - Run-Out 5
20:11 - Wrap Up

As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!
 
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Thats an incredible tough drill. You will have multible clusters and problems very often with no realistic way to run out (for us mortals below Reyes or Pagulayan level). An slightly easier version (improving the chances to runout about 3-4 times) is allowing to move one ball after the break. There are videos of Alex Pagulayan and John Schmidt showing this version.
 
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kanzzo said:
Thats an incredible tough drill. You will have multible clusters and problems very often with no realistic way to run out (for us mortals below Reyes or Pagulayan level). An slightly easier version (improving the cances to runout about 3-4 times) is allowing to move one ball after the break. There are videos of Alex Pagulayan and John Schmidt showing this version.
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kanzzo said:
Thats an incredible tough drill. You will have multiple clusters and problems very often with no realistic way to run out (for us mortals below Reyes or Pagulayan level). An slightly easier version (improving the chances to runout about 3-4 times) is allowing to move one ball after the break. There are videos of Alex Pagulayan and John Schmidt showing this version.
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Agreed. The drill can be "challenging" (i.e., "frustrating" and "demoralizing"). But with a good rack and decent break, the balls do spread nicely (like most of the breaks in my video).
 
Great video Dr dave, nice to see someone giving this game, the exposure it deserves!! This one of the hardest games you can play. Took two years, for me to learn this, playing every day. I don't play the ball in hand version. Just play from where it lands.any foul, white goes behind the head string. If you can get use to it. It will improve your game. Only thing I didn't like, was the use of the jump shot. It takes away from the creativity that you need, if you ever play against some one.
Still a cool watch, takes pool into a different dimension!!
 
Cue Alchemist said:
Great video Dr dave, nice to see someone giving this game, the exposure it deserves!! This one of the hardest games you can play. Took two years, for me to learn this, playing every day. I don't play the ball in hand version. Just play from where it lands.any foul, white goes behind the head string. If you can get use to it. It will improve your game. Only thing I didn't like, was the use of the jump shot. It takes away from the creativity that you need, if you ever play against some one.
Still a cool watch, takes pool into a different dimension!!
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Thanks for the comments and suggestions. I like practicing the jumps because I see it as a huge weapon against opponents.
 
We used to play something like this 30 years ago. It was called Chicago, 4 or5 people in the bar ,9 ball rules. 5 dollars on the 5.10 on the 10 and 15 on the 15.Sometimes it worked out for you and sometimes it didnt.we would play 1 2 3 if it wasnt close to payday and could still make a few bucks but most of the time it was just money going back and forth
 
dr_dave said:
For practice, I like this version better. BIH after the break to practice BIH strategy and CB control execution, and random racking for the most layout variability.
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BIH is definitely the best practice option. The idea after all, is to start nailing those sequences. Generally I prefer BIH in play as well.
 
dr_dave said:
FYI, I just posted a new video that discusses strategy and demonstrates common situations and run-out examples in 15-ball rotation, a fun challenge that will give you great practice, with many opportunities to learn and work on important pool skills including the break, BIH strategy, CB control, shot making, and position play. Be sure to check out Run-Out 3, where "I got lucky" more than a few times:


Content:
0:00 - Intro
1:48 - Break Strategy
4:05 - BIH Strategy
6:00 - CB Control
8:18 - Shot Making
10:19 - Run-Out Examples
---- 10:38 - Run-Out 1
---- 12:04 - Run-Out 2
---- 13:55 - Run-Out 3 ("I got lucky!")
---- 14:41 - Run-Out 4
---- 18:29 - Run-Out 5
20:11 - Wrap Up

As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!
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Nice! Thanks for the video. I like rotation but it's hard to get people to play. They don't like counting to 61. Caesar Morales cut his teeth on it so there must be something to it!
 
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boogieman said:
Nice! Thanks for the video. I like rotation but it's hard to get people to play. They don't like counting to 61. Caesar Morales cut his teeth on it so there must be something to it!
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Broken record time.
Try playing to the last ball drops. No points, regular BIH rules. Last ball is the money ball.
 
straightline said:
Broken record time.
Try playing to the last ball drops. No points, regular BIH rules. Last ball is the money ball.
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If I make a 1-15 combo or make the 15 on the break do I win?. Does 3 consecutive fouls constitute as a win?

The game play dictates the rules. With 15 balls on the table playing safe to receive ball in hand doesn't add up. That's why the Filipino version is the best where besides a number of different rules the player also doesn't need to hit a rail after contact.
 
poolnut7879 said:
If I make a 1-15 combo or make the 15 on the break do I win?. Does 3 consecutive fouls constitute as a win?

The game play dictates the rules. With 15 balls on the table playing safe to receive ball in hand doesn't add up. That's why the Filipino version is the best where besides a number of different rules the player also doesn't need to hit a rail after contact.
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There are standard variations to the 15 ball game. One involves at least 3 money balls as well as the points. This makes for a worthwhile ring game as a runout will pay 4 times the bet times the number of players.
Standard rotation itself gets dull as you often have several balls left on the table. I see that as a waste of pool lol. Further the spot shot or worse the keep shooting till you hit the ball rule just wastes time; hence the ball in hand adaptation. In the variations I prefer, the point values are meaningless and there is only one money ball. The last one. It's appropriately similar to Dr. Dave's ghost game is why I brought it up. It's great training for standard pool.
 
poolnut7879 said:
If I make a 1-15 combo or make the 15 on the break do I win?. Does 3 consecutive fouls constitute as a win?

The game play dictates the rules. With 15 balls on the table playing safe to receive ball in hand doesn't add up. That's why the Filipino version is the best where besides a number of different rules the player also doesn't need to hit a rail after contact.
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That's the way I learnt it.Also replacing the balls behind the spot. When You play someone who can run out, majority of the time. The safety side is important. the spot shot is another factor. After a foul. You can also put the other player, back in,if you don't like the position of the balls.
 
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