1P: How Many Tries?

lfigueroa

lfigueroa

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"Friendly" game for small stakes. Player A is up 5-2.


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Player A is trying to shoot the 13 ball, but is having trouble reaching it. Setting up with the mechanical bridge, he accidentally brushes the 3 ball.

Player B then says, "The 10 was dead to my hole."

Player A says, "OK. Put it where you want."

Player B moves the 10.

Player A is now setting up to shoot the 13 using two stacked bridges when Player B says, "The 10's still not right."

Player A stops and says, "OK. Move it."

Player B then starts to move the 10 ball -- which was not originally moved -- and Player A says, "I didn't move the 10. You can only move the 3."

Player B then goes back to just moving the 3.

Player A then starts to shoot again and says, "You know, it's not like you get five tries to put it back. Take a half hour and put it back once."

Things go downhill from there :-)

So: how many tries do you get to move an accidentally moved ball back?

Lou Figueroa
 
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No, most of the time it is cue ball fouls only. I'm starting to wish APA was foul on anything like I see pros playing on tv.
 
I've seen several balls accidentally moved in 1P competition and the balls were optionally moved back without a foul.

One case in particular was by Efren against Marco Marquez. Efren brushed a ball he was bridging over and moved it by about a foot. Marco put it back...problem was, it wasn't even close to where it originally was. Given that Efren was bridging over it, it should have been very easy to respot.
 
0 tries, player B's turn ;)

We should start practicing tournament rules even in practice games and make it into a habit to be "very" careful with balls on the table. Maybe make it clear in the beginning of a game?

This is not to penalize anyone; it is just fair to the book.

Bridging over balls properly and having controls is an desirable skill to learn.
It can be a fun challenge for beginners and intermediate players like myself.
 
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I believe

in the event that there isn't an applicable rule, that the 'baseball' rule applies, 3 strikes and you're out!!!
 
From onepocket.org

In the event that a player accidentally moves a ball, the opponent may elect to have the disturbed ball remain in its new position or be restored to its original position. When balls are restored, they shall be placed as close as possible to their original positions, with no advantage to be gained by the offending player. If no official is available to restore disturbed balls, then the players must come to agreement on satisfactory replacement of the disturbed balls prior to continuing play
 
lfigueroa said:
"You know, it's not like you get five tries to put it back. Take a half hour and put it back once."
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Player A gets major style points for the above remark. My kind of guy.

It's probably a good idea to play all-ball fouls unless you're playing for fun, or table time. Studies show that in times of stress/duress, prople will revert to habits that they learned in training. Careful bridging and movement is a very important aspect of the game that needs to be practiced.

Ken
 
mosconiac said:
I've seen several balls accidentally moved in 1P competition and the balls were optionally moved back without a foul.
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I believe that the rules state that if 3 or more balls are moved during a turn (other than the cueball & object ball(s)) it is loss of game. Can anyone verify this? It may be tough to police this during gambling but I think this is the rule that's used in DCC & other 1-pocket tourneys.

Dave
 
I hate this rule! It should be all ball fouls simply to remove this gray area from the rules and end the potential ensuing arguments.

I forget the APA rules, but I thought if a player intentionally touches an object ball, it's a foul. If this is the case, it was a foul on your opponent as soon as he touched the 10-ball, because it wasn't the ball displaced.

I also think you gave him too many tries.
 
Slider said:
Player A gets major style points for the above remark. My kind of guy.

It's probably a good idea to play all-ball fouls unless you're playing for fun, or table time. Studies show that in times of stress/duress, prople will revert to habits that they learned in training. Careful bridging and movement is a very important aspect of the game that needs to be practiced.

Ken
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Thank you.

Lou Figueroa
not always Player A
but was this time
 
SphinxnihpS said:
I also think you gave him too many tries.
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That's what I thought, but he acted like he could fiddle with them over and over, even though he went to the chair and sat down after attempt #1. I was just trying to be a nice guy with attempt #2, but then after I said what I said, he said something like, "I'll take as many tries as I want."

Being talked to like that in a "friendly" game for small money really kinda irked me and I made sure I did my absolute best to torture him and give him absolutely nothing remotely resembling a shot for the rest of the game. Lou wins 8-0 after the other guy scratches a couple of times shooting flyers :-) He's so pissed he quits and unscrews one game loser. Oh well.

Anywhos, I just though I'd get a sanity check in case I was out of line.

Lou Figueroa
 
Lou, you and Dave (12squared) ought to play some time. I'd like to see who wins that game.

Maybe next year at the DCC?
 
SphinxnihpS said:
I hate this rule! It should be all ball fouls simply to remove this gray area from the rules and end the potential ensuing arguments.
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I disagree. All balls fouls is often unnecessary and can cause potential issues on its own. Plus for beginning, intermediate, and recreational players, all ball fouls would often do more harm than good.

Although, I do agree that after one gains a sufficient level of skill, that they should put forth extra attention not to foul any balls. Ultimately, this maintains the spirit of the game to its fullest.

SphinxnihpS said:
I forget the APA rules, but I thought if a player intentionally touches an object ball, it's a foul.
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Just for clarification, the APA rules are like most non-professional rules which states cue ball fouls only. And in APA the rule states that the ball(s) must be replaced. But, sounds like the APA rules have no relevance to what occured in this situation.
 
Here's a good question- About two months ago I was playing some guy 1-pocket, race to 3 for $100. We were playing cueball fouls only. I have a shot at my hole, and I had to lean and stretch over the table to make the shot. Before I shoot, my foot slips and I fall on the table. I moved like 7 or 8 balls. They were laying to my advantage, and I had a good chance to run out before I slipped. I didn't know if it was either a foul or loss of game, or have him move the balls back to where he thought they were. He said loss of game, and I didn't know the rule for that, so I gave him the game. After that I asked him if I could have a 30 minute break, because my chest hurt from falling on the balls. He said no, and said that he didn't want to wait, and that I should forfeit the set. The loss of game from my fall made it hill-hill. He wanted me to pay up for that set, and I said hell no. An argument ensued, and my backer and him almost got into a fight. Since then he won't play me again, saying that I'm a cheater!?!? What a jerk....anyways, what's the ruling if you fall accidentally and move a bunch of balls? Foul or loss of game?
 
The DCC rule is if one ball disturbed it is moved back to its original position. Two or more balls disturbed is loss of turn, and opponent option to move back. How you enforce that rule is another question but it seems like a good rule to me.
Anyway, sounds like your opponent is a nit, considering you are playing for change.
one try
 
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Alex Kanapilly said:
Lou, you and Dave (12squared) ought to play some time. I'd like to see who wins that game.

Maybe next year at the DCC?
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Oh, no! race to 50 3 cushion and race to 5 one pocket...
Wait, that was with someone else....

whatever happened with that game, Lou?
 
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