$2,000 Sets Tonight!!!!

This is a great thread.

Glad to hear a Mr. Allen learned a lesson, although he hasn't said what yet.

So I'll take a shot at a potential lesson:

Don't go to some guys house with 5 grand cash in your pocket where you need to bring a gun and a guy named "Cowboy Bill".
 
haystj said:
This is a great thread.

Glad to hear a Mr. Allen learned a lesson, although he hasn't said what yet.

So I'll take a shot at a potential lesson:

Don't go to some guys house with 5 grand cash in your pocket where you need to bring a gun and a guy named "Cowboy Bill".
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lol. Or, don't let your opponent hold "frozen up" money in his own pocket.

Lou Figueroa
 
As soon as you realized that you were in that good of a game you should have throttled back a little and made the first set closer. Winning the first set 7-1 at someone elses house, outnumbered 5-2 w/people, and everyone carrying is a recipe for disaster if you don't know everyone there really well. You got the absolute best possible outcome there by getting the $2K and even that is a sh!tty outcome given that $20K was posted for someone to win.

Win the first couple of sets 7-4, 7-5 and then let him win a set.
 
phil dade said:
If you do not want to say, that is fine. However, from your prospective, I would like to hear what you learned from ths experience. I liked this thread and have been watching it because I was interested the 'gamble" you displayed. I am 68, from a different era. I will drop it if you wish.
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Phil, you are perfectly in line with your comments. We are all here to learn and the younger generation gamblers need to see your perspective on things. I shouldn't have went to another man's house to play him for that amount of money. I didn't know that he would have other people there with him other than his backer. We should've met at a local hall, but he wouldn't agree to those terms.

Lou, freezing up means exactly what you said. I believe this is the same all around the world. I was t as fortunate as you were to walk out with it all, but at least I did walk out of the other guys domain with all limbs attached and unharmed.
 
Allen, you stated that you have played the guy several times. Surely he knew what kind of game he was in, and just didn't have a good set. My question is, do you know his backer? If so, did you think he was a stand-up guy, or was the type that might welsh on the bet? And, what about the others that were there, were they bystanders, or muscle for your opponents backer?

If you know his backer, I would be putting the word out that he welshed on the bet. (I mean locally, not here, which you obviously did)
 
Am I the only one that thinks this story is cool, but has more holes in it that the car Bonnie and Clyde were killed in?

You played him before and you guys were known to run 3 packs in 10 ball.

You said you posted up 10K a piece, and played 5 ahead at 2K a set,,,, but that only makes 10K and what about the other 10K?

You go to a game of what I am guessing is 10K (not 20K) at stake and you say you will let him out if he gets tired?

Letting a tired man out of a posted 10K (which is pretty darn serious) action when everyone is carrying guns seems odd.... It's not like a low key, friendly game we are talking about.

The money was posted, so collecting shouldn't have been a problem. How could the backer pull out when money was already posted.

You say everyone is carrying weapons,,,,, as always.... (weird)

This guy who is willing to gamble 2K in a race to 5 (and has a backer???) up and quits on you after losing the first one and won't even consider a spot?

Now the guy that has got pretty darn bit of gamble in him, and a backer for 2K sets, quits pool and decides to stick with checkers?

All this and you played the guy before where you both run racks and now he can't make a ball?

Love the story, but wow, might be a bit of a stretch. Although, I hope it is true but if so, would be the weirdest one I have heard in a long time.
 
Neil said:
Allen, you stated that you have played the guy several times. Surely he knew what kind of game he was in, and just didn't have a good set. My question is, do you know his backer? If so, did you think he was a stand-up guy, or was the type that might welsh on the bet? And, what about the others that were there, were they bystanders, or muscle for your opponents backer?

If you know his backer, I would be putting the word out that he welshed on the bet. (I mean locally, not here, which you obviously did)
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I didn't know his backer of the other people he had there at his house. I didn't even ask what his name was. The pulling up was the backers idea not the guy I was playing. My opponent is one of the best guys I've ever played with. He seemed to be having a very bad day with his game.
 
TJ, we are in Alabama in the backwoods. We always carry weapons....unless we are in the pool hall because they are all bars. I shouldn't have played the guy because I didn't personally know his backer.
I have known the guy I was playing personally for a few years.

10 and 10 makes 20 unless my math is off.

I knew how my opponent played and I knew I was robbing when I went. His backer didn't know that because he told him he could beat me.

The backer didn't want to play even with a spot.

He is 75 and is getting a lot slower. He likes checkers and dominoes.

It was a very weird night and I hope I never have another one like it. I won't put myself or my friend in that position again.

I'm sorry for all of the confusion.
 
Allen Brown said:
Lou, freezing up means exactly what you said. I believe this is the same all around the world. I was t as fortunate as you were to walk out with it all, but at least I did walk out of the other guys domain with all limbs attached and unharmed.
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OK, my last post on this and then I'll let it go.

Certainly, one of the stupider things I've done in my life is to walk into a strange pool at night, with close to $30K on me, after woofing about the match on the interweb for months.

However, both me and me opponent were committed to the "frozen up" part.

Neither one of us wanted any funny business at the end of the match and we wanted to make sure that whoever lost delivered the full pound of flesh. So there was "show up" money deposited in Fargo with a third party and, at the match before the first ball was hit, the remaining part of the bet was counted out and given to a third party whom we both trusted to safeguard the dough and then dispense to the victor in a fair, judicious, and timely manner.

All I'm saying is that there is frozen up money and then there is really froze up money.

Lou Figueroa
 
Allen Brown said:
He is 75 and is getting a lot slower. He likes checkers and dominoes.
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I get it,, just a crazy, crazy story. I get a kick out of you bringing a strong arm guy to a 75 year old's house, both with guns but hey, like you said, it is the south.

My god, how much will he gamble at checkers if he locks up for $20K on pool!

:wink:

Thanks again for posting,, I love stories like this.
 
Allen Brown said:
TJ, we are in Alabama in the backwoods. We always carry weapons....unless we are in the pool hall because they are all bars. I shouldn't have played the guy because I didn't personally know his backer.
I have known the guy I was playing personally for a few years.

10 and 10 makes 20 unless my math is off.

I knew how my opponent played and I knew I was robbing when I went. His backer didn't know that because he told him he could beat me.

The backer didn't want to play even with a spot.

He is 75 and is getting a lot slower. He likes checkers and dominoes.

It was a very weird night and I hope I never have another one like it. I won't put myself or my friend in that position again.

I'm sorry for all of the confusion.
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You carry weapons unless you are in a bar? I live in a college town and the bars are some of the most dangerous places in town. You are safer walking through the ghetto with a $100 dollar bill sticking out of your pocket than in a bar with the drunk college kids.
 
alstl said:
You carry weapons unless you are in a bar? I live in a college town and the bars are some of the most dangerous places in town. You are safer walking through the ghetto with a $100 dollar bill sticking out of your pocket than in a bar with the drunk college kids.
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Well duh, bars are dangerous, but it is also highly illegal to carry firearms in bars.
 
9andout said:
So u got the $2k for the first set right?
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Allen Brown said:
Yeah. I had billf59 there to collect for me. There's not too many people around that will mess with him. He's a pretty big 'ol boy. Cowboy Bill had my back.
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Actually your math is off.. If 10 and 10 make 20, and you are playing 5 ahead,,,, wouldn't you have been due $4K for winning the set??

How did you decide to walk away with $2K?
 
haystj said:
Actually your math is off.. If 10 and 10 make 20, and you are playing 5 ahead,,,, wouldn't you have been due $4K for winning the set??

How did you decide to walk away with $2K?
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My 10 and his 10 makes 20 total. 10 divided by 5 is 2. I walked way with my 10 and 2 of his.
 
haystj said:
Actually your math is off.. If 10 and 10 make 20, and you are playing 5 ahead,,,, wouldn't you have been due $4K for winning the set??

How did you decide to walk away with $2K?
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Rocket Science - it's not for everyone.
 
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