2 Questions About Brunswick Madison Installation

jfred0826

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Gentlemen,

I just bought my first table, a used Brunswick. I suspect it is about 15 years old. It is 1980's or 90's table, and not the original 1900 era Madison.

As I had never set up a table before, I did a fairly complete setup (using the old cloth) as a trial run. Later, I will move the table to a better location, and at that time I will recover with Simonis.

I suspect that one or more of the previous owners set the table up once or twice themselves.

I am an experienced residential cabinet builder. Unfortunately, as I said, I am not experienced with pool tables. As such, I can not be certain that some of the parts that came with the table are correct.

For instance, the rail bolts are all-thread, with a floating nut in the rail, and washer-style nut for the bottom end. The bore in the slate is about 9/16" (that's just a guess from memory) and the diameter of the washer-head is hardly 1/8 inch larger than the hole in the slate. Thus, there is very little bearing surface on the slate to accept the load from the torque of the nut. (I torqued them all to ten foot pounds as recommended in a search of this forum.)

Do you think the small nut-to-bearing surface differential is Brunswick's design or should I add a washer between the slate and the nut?

The other question relates to excessive noise when pocketing balls. It appears that when a ball enters the corner pockets at certain speed and angles, the ball ricochets off something and then strikes the end of the hardwood blind of either the side or end rail. Naturally, this causes a loud clunk. Other than maybe mitering the blinds back from the pocket, is there something I can do to stop the contact between the ball and the blind?

I have attempted to attach a photo of a Madison so you can see the blind.
Hopefully, that worked. If not I will try again.

Thanks to all of you for sharing your experience and expertise with us.

Cordially,
Joe Fred
 

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that is a very beautiful table you have. I can't really answer any of your questions, because i'm just starting out doing this myself. I just wanted to comment on your table. good luck with your answers!
 
Not a table mech but the all thread doesn't sound like factory. I'd say if you're going to use the all thread and you have a full rail nut worth of thread and full nut worth of nut washer then if there is still thread left sure use a fender washer. I'd be worried about the all thread loosening up though without a jam nut. The 10 ft.lb I think may be a minimum, I've also seen 15 ft.lb mentioned, so the ball thunking may be the rails actually loosening up because of all of the above. One of the experienced guys will comment I'm sure.

Nice table....I like the legs.
 
Madison

Hi, D-Rock,

Thanks for the compliment on the table. The one in the photo is not mine, but is mine is exactly like it other than the cloth. Mine came with blue, and probably will be Simonis green when I do the final install.

I'll tell you what, though, that color in the example photo looks pretty good, I think. It would not be out of the question to go with a color like that.

jfe
 
The rail studs are absolutely original. Nothing more then allthread. Brunswick did use a small diameter washer before switching over to the larger domed serrated washer used today.

As far as the clunking, i have seen people wedge foam behind the pocket to help quiet the problem. Never done it myself
 
Madison

Thanks for the inquiry. I haven't been to a bowling alley in a long, long time, so I can't make a comparison to the pin sound.

However, I can reach in a corner pocket and whack the blind with a ball, and that is the sound I am referring to.

As I see it, the solution is in somehow preventing the balls from contacting the blind.

jfe
 
You could either add some padding between the drop pocket leather and the blind, or you might try repositioning the leather tabs (that are either stapled or screwed to the frame/slate backing) to keep the pocket leather from being able to contact the blinds.
 
Madison

Thanks, JZ.

I looked at each pocket, and see that I can adjust the tabs better than they are now, and that will help. Also, I will find a suitable pad for the blinds.

Thanks, again, to all. Your comments and advice are very much appreciated. :smile:

jfred
 
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