2 x 4 Case Weight

Jack Justis

Jack Justis

CASEMAKER
Silver Member
I don't want anyone to think I am belittling anyone else's cases, especially Mr. Murnak. I think he does fantastic work on his cases and the carving is second to none. So don't take this as anything other than what it is.

About a year ago, when I started thinking about how to make a lighter case, I looked no further than the interior and my goal was to make a custom case under 4 lb. and still provide adequate cue protection. I am happy to say that in conjunction with the new interior and a slight adjustment in pocket leather thickness I have now accomplished my goal.

The standard 2 x 4 case with 2 - 8" or 1 - 16" pocket, handle strap, lid strap and shoulder strap weighs in at 3 lb 13.50 oz. This is in no way a challenge or statement to other casemakers that "lighter is better" but rather was done at the request of my past and future customers who want a lighter weight case.
 

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I'm sure with the quality of your cases, that accomplishing the weight of 4 lbs or less was an amazing feat. Congrats Jack! I can't wait to se on in person.
 
I just wish your case could be configured with 1 14" and 1 8" pouch, but great job getting it below 4 pounds...that is the lightest I have seen for a full leather case.

Shorty
 
Jack Justis said:
The standard 2 x 4 case with 2 - 8" or 1 - 16" pocket, handle strap, lid strap and shoulder strap weighs in at 3 lb 13.50 oz. This is in no way a challenge or statement to other casemakers that "lighter is better" but rather was done at the request of my past and future customers who want a lighter weight case.
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I love that photo in the Post Office of you case, and it remind me of the Self Service Center we use to have that was so handy when I wanted to Mail a Package, or Weight Something.:)

Sadly the Geniuses at the USPS decided our Self Service Center was UNDER UTILIZED. so they removed it, and moved it to another town.:mad:

3 lb 13.50 oz is Super Light for a 2 x 4 with Large & Small Pocket, I have a Whitten that is 2 x 4, a 42F that is almost 5 Pound Bone Empty.

;)
 
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Shorty said:
I just wish your case could be configured with 1 14" and 1 8" pouch, but great job getting it below 4 pounds...that is the lightest I have seen for a full leather case.

Shorty
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Shorty ... All jump cues are not 40-41" long, so the large pocket might
have to be a tad bigger to accomodate a jump butt.

Jack ... Congrats on reaching your goal, but the fact is that most players
want a 'small' pocket and a 'large' pocket, so, to me, that is the weight of
the case that would most relevant and prevalent. You are to be commended
on listening to your customers though, and trying to make changes they want.
I think that most serious good players carry a 3 x 5 or 3 x 6 as their most desired case to have all the equipment they need for playing, and if they are
packing a 2 x 4, it is because they have streamlined and for the lighter weight
on packing it around. Plus, as one gets older, the weight of a case seems
to get heavier, so having a case that isn't that heavy becomes more of a consideration.
 
Shorty said:
I just wish your case could be configured with 1 14" and 1 8" pouch, but great job getting it below 4 pounds...that is the lightest I have seen for a full leather case.

Shorty
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The case comes standard with 1 - 16" or 2 -8" pockets. The 16" and 8" pocket is the $45 option just like it always has been. This option has become popular as more and more gadgets become available to the player. On the other hand, I see many of my cases at tournaments with hardly anything in the pockets. Exception is the league players in Vegas. They carry every cue and tool they own plus the towel.
 
Snapshot9 said:
I think that most serious good players carry a 3 x 5 or 3 x 6 as their most desired case to have all the equipment they need for playing, and if they are
packing a 2 x 4, it is because they have streamlined and for the lighter weight
on packing it around.
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I believe Jack makes a 3 x 6 Pro-Lite, so if you got to have a Light Weight 3 x 6 he has an offering for you.

I love my 2 x 4, I can carry my Playing Q with 2 Shafts, break Q with a Shaft, Jump Butt 7 Shaft for it. that is all I need, plus a Large & Small Pocket for Stuff, and More Stuff....;)
 
Snapshot9 said:
Shorty ... All jump cues are not 40-41" long, so the large pocket might
have to be a tad bigger to accomodate a jump butt.
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Ahh...Snap my buddy, I am not talking about a 40 inch jump cue. I am talking about my two 12 inch extensions for my Schon. ;) But it just so happens my J&J jump butt is only 11.5 inches as well.

Shorty
 
Jack,

I have 4 questions for you about the new cases.

1. Is the new interior as durable as the old one? (nothing to rip, tear or wear out)?

2. Is the interior replaceable like the old one?

3. Is the case as strong as the old one?

4. Is the new interior injected foam core like the Porper cases?

Chris
 
TATE said:
Jack,

I have 4 questions for you about the new cases.

1. Is the new interior as durable as the old one? (nothing to rip, tear or wear out)?

2. Is the interior replaceable like the old one?

3. Is the case as strong as the old one?

4. Is the new interior injected foam core like the Porper cases?

Chris
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5. What is the Maxima Shaft & Butt Length the New Design Case will hold?
 
TATE said:
Jack,

I have 4 questions for you about the new cases.

Great questions, Chris.

1. Is the new interior as durable as the old one? (nothing to rip, tear or wear out)?

I think so....and even if it does, I can have a complete new interior installed in less than 5 minutes just like the tube cases.

2. Is the interior replaceable like the old one?

Yes

3. Is the case as strong as the old one?

Yes, the case is built exactly like the original with solid brass rivets which will outlast any thread known to man. On any older piece of leather goods I have ever seen, the thread is the first thing that fails. Example, check out some of the old Brunswick cases.....leather is usually OK but the thread has failed. I am not saying this happens overnight but in the long haul, solid brass will outlast thread period. I have read many tales about running over cases with trucks. Trust me, if you run over any tube type case including the ProLite, with a 3000 lb vehicle there will be considerable damage to the cue. If your question was... Is six thin wall PVC tubes bundled together as strong as one single pvc in a crush test, common sense would tell me the bundled tubes would prevail. If your a pool playing rodeo clown or skydiver, contact Chas Clemens.

4. Is the new interior injected foam core like the Porper cases?

No....I looked at this and after seeing how the insides were coated with different materials, including flocking that could wear off, it took me about 10seconds to scrap the idea. The pvc tube in the ProLite is extruded with separate sewn liners to separate the butts and shafts and offers more than enough cue protection for normal everyday use.
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Jack,

Sounds like you hit a home run with the new case. As you know, your cases have always been my favorite. I guess I will have to change my ways and instead of buying the old stuff I'll have to order a new one custom from you. I'll e-mail you my ideas shortly.

If someone is getting a new case from you, there is just no reason not to get the new style case. In fact, it sounds like you have something here nobody else does. The fact that you can easily replace the interior is a biggie. You have a lightweight, durable, and protective case. I agree on the sewn seams. The thread just wears out. Even if the case doesn't come apart, it looks like hell when the threads get scraggly.

Chris
 
Jack Justis said:
TATE said:
Jack,

3. Is the case as strong as the old one?

Yes, the case is built exactly like the original with solid brass rivets which will outlast any thread known to man. On any older piece of leather goods I have ever seen, the thread is the first thing that fails. Example, check out some of the old Brunswick cases.....leather is usually OK but the thread has failed. I am not saying this happens overnight but in the long haul, solid brass will outlast thread period. I have read many tales about running over cases with trucks. Trust me, if you run over any tube type case including the ProLite, with a 3000 lb vehicle there will be considerable damage to the cue. If your question was... Is six thin wall PVC tubes bundled together as strong as one single pvc in a crush test, common sense would tell me the bundled tubes would prevail. If your a pool playing rodeo clown or skydiver, contact Chas Clemens.
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There was a good photo of one of Jack's Cases in Inside Pool, Jan 2006. player Profile, belonged to a gent named Cory. Case appears to be well used, but still in great shape after apparently much travel from Tournament to Tournament.;)
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