2007 - Tour Card Qualifier

[Str8PoolMan]

...No handpicked political BS....

Except for the first 150 players, of course.

You guys can nitpick all you want. It won't change anything. Ten years from now you'll still be finding things to ***** about the IPT and "prove" it's evil....

I can guarantee you I won't be.

 

[onepocketchump]

Except for the first 150 players, of course.



I can guarantee you I won't be.

If that were true then people like Jeanette and Alex would have been picked in the first 150.

Kevin chose people who applied themselves and who were WILLING to take a chance on a new tour.

Sorry, but if you can't be bothered to send in an application then don't tell me you should be considered for the free ride in the first year.

Furthermore, I am sure that some of the applications looked like dog crap from otherwise fine players. I used to get all kinds of pleas for sponsorship and I immediately discard the ones that look like a third grader wrote them. If you are that good and care about your "profession" then HIRE some qualified help. ANd I don't want to hear ANY BS about how broke the players are. Easily 90% of the players on the IPT and those qualifying can get staked for HIGH DOLLAR action so I know they can get staked for a decent resume'.

And I'll amend the ten year *****ing comment to all those who are *****ing now will be *****ing about something ten years from now whether the IPT succeeds or not.

John - bets everything that the negative people won't eat crow if the IPT succeeds.

 

[Str8PoolMan]

If that were true then people like Jeanette and Alex would have been picked in the first 150.

Kevin chose people who applied themselves and who were WILLING to take a chance on a new tour.

Sorry, but if you can't be bothered to send in an application then don't tell me you should be considered for the free ride in the first year.

Furthermore, I am sure that some of the applications looked like dog crap from otherwise fine players. I used to get all kinds of pleas for sponsorship and I immediately discard the ones that look like a third grader wrote them. If you are that good and care about your "profession" then HIRE some qualified help. ANd I don't want to hear ANY BS about how broke the players are. Easily 90% of the players on the IPT and those qualifying can get staked for HIGH DOLLAR action so I know they can get staked for a decent resume'.

And I'll amend the ten year *****ing comment to all those who are *****ing now will be *****ing about something ten years from now whether the IPT succeeds or not.

John - bets everything that the negative people won't eat crow if the IPT succeeds.

Handpicked is handpicked, whether it is for quick submission, ability to turn a phrase, or good penmanship. KT chose the players on this tour according to his own criteria. There was no qualification tournament. It was not based on any known world ranking since, as you pointed out, Jeanette Lee and Alex P. were not included.

I am not saying that the wrong people were chosen or that he should have done it differently. Only that the roster was not based on past or present success or any other quantifiable criteria. It was based on the whims and fancies of the IPT founder. The reasons for the choices are known only to him.

But, hey, it's his money. He can give it to whoever he wants. Just don't try to tell me that it's not a handpicked list.

However, I agree that most of the naysayers will remain so, no matter what. Just like the cheerleaders will continue to paint a rosy picture of the IPT. That is, until the money runs out.

 

[cheesemouse]

Str8poolman.

However, I agree that most of the naysayers will remain so, no matter what. Just like the cheerleaders will continue to paint a rosy picture of the IPT. That is, until the money runs out.[\quote]
So your not really a Visionary Philosopher but a realist...

 

[Dr. Dissent]

Oh, so you have the inside scoop on Kevin Trudeau's finances? You know what kinds of deals he has in place or is working on? Listen Miss Cleo if you are so damn psychic why don't you predict something useful like a winning lottery number and start your own tour? Otherwise I'd suggest you get some good drugs to brighten your world cuz you are a major downer.

If the WPA and BCA has done so much for pool where are the jumior programs? Any that exist are not in place because of the WPA/BCA they are there because of INDIVIDUALS who care enough to run them. Just as there is ONE INDIVIDUAL who cares enough to run a professional pool tour with some SUBSTANCE to it.

Since you won't post here with you real name and your qualifications to make your statements I have to conclude that most of what you say is purely ignorant conjecture.

I, on the other hand, spent ten years in Europe playing in the Deutsche Billard Union, The European Pool and Billiard Federation, the Deutsche Sport-Automaten Bund (Lowen-Sport/Valley) and the local leagues under them. Over here I participated in the BCA, VNEA, and APA leagues.

I am familiar with the way the WPA works and all the organizations under them. If anything, (and oh how I despise this term) the WPA could be the "governing body" of amateur pool. Except for one little thing - the APA, the BCA, and the VNEA don't play along, use different rules and don't pay any sanctioning fees to the WPA.

Please correct me if I am wrong but has the WPA ever received one cent from any of the APA, VNEA, or even the BCA National/International tournaments in Vegas? I mean these are mulitmillion dollar events that have gone on longer than the WPA has been in existence? Has the WPA received any funding from them or had any input whatsoever into how these events are ran? If not, why not? Why are they any different than Kevin Trudeau? After all these organizations affect far more pool players than Kevin Trudeau. Why aren't you worried about the detrimental effect of forcing hundreds of thousands of players to play bar box 8-ball instead of creating a platform for them to be exposed to 9-ball, 14.1 and 8 ball like Thorsten was?

Never in previous years have I ever heard you or anyone like you being down on the WPA for not forcing a world standard of competition. NEver, not once, not ever did you jump up and say the APA is ruining pool.

The truth is that you are an ignorant whiny crybaby who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. You probably can't run three friggin' balls as the esteemed Crazy Larry would say. NOw this is just my opinon of course not knowing who you are and just going by the content of your posts. You could be the most reasonable patient in your asylum for all I know.

John

John, so this is the best post you could make on my subject?

You really dissapoint me. A guy with such an "alleged" background in pool and former owner of "Instroke" banting like a child, alleging to know everything about organized pool but cannot forsee that the IPT will end up nowhere?

You are really "full of it." Your post only ensures that you really know squat.
Do you really have to go to such low levels of intelligence as to resort on name calling, questioning credentials or abilities, disrespecting anyone who does not believe the BS Kevin Trudeau is putting out there, to make everyone believe you know what you are talking about?

My friend, you have really ridiculed yourself with your response.

...and with all your alleged background, I could give you the 7, 8, 9; four ahead race to seven, blindfolded, with one hand....

 

[onepocketchump]

Handpicked is handpicked, whether it is for quick submission, ability to turn a phrase, or good penmanship. KT chose the players on this tour according to his own criteria. There was no qualification tournament. It was not based on any known world ranking since, as you pointed out, Jeanette Lee and Alex P. were not included.

I am not saying that the wrong people were chosen or that he should have done it differently. Only that the roster was not based on past or present success or any other quantifiable criteria. It was based on the whims and fancies of the IPT founder. The reasons for the choices are known only to him.

But, hey, it's his money. He can give it to whoever he wants. Just don't try to tell me that it's not a handpicked list.

However, I agree that most of the naysayers will remain so, no matter what. Just like the cheerleaders will continue to paint a rosy picture of the IPT. That is, until the money runs out.

Even if the money were to run out and the rest of the tour stops cancelled then Kevin Trudeau has for a brief time brought pool to a level it has not been on before. In two tournaments he has given more money to the players than most promoters in ten years of running their tours. More than that though he has given them hope and a vision of what could be.

I'll tell you what. When I went to the Sigel/Jones match I truly felt like ti was something special. And it was. Even though Loree got creamed it was a great event. I can only imagine how nice the last two events have been. Nothing in Kevin's past, nothing that purveyor's of negativity can take those events away from the players and fans who attended.

But, I'll concede the "handpicked" nature of the first 150. Still, not a bad start to a tour that is definitely now the one to be on and the toughest to get on.

John

 

[onepocketchump]

John, so this is the best post you could make on my subject?

You really dissapoint me. A guy with such an "alleged" background in pool and former owner of "Instroke" banting like a child, alleging to know everything about organized pool but cannot forsee that the IPT will end up nowhere?

You are really "full of it." Your post only ensures that you really know squat.
Do you really have to go to such low levels of intelligence as to resort on name calling, questioning credentials or abilities, disrespecting anyone who does not believe the BS Kevin Trudeau is putting out there, to make everyone believe you know what you are talking about?

My friend, you have really ridiculed yourself with your response.

...and with all your alleged background, I could give you the 7, 8, 9; four ahead race to seven, blindfolded, with one hand....

Have I? The best you could do to address the serious points I made was to call me delusional and tell me to see a doctor?

This from a person who alludes to such inside information as to know the finances of Kevin Trudeau and to know the inner workings of the world organizations but who will not reveal his identity. So what do you care whether I insult you? If you can hurl them anonymously then you can let them roll off of your secret identity's back.

But, don't worry about it. Whoever you are, you'll continue to be on the outside looking in and you can content yourself with ranting about things you can't change.

Since, apparently all you want to do is make unsubstantiated statement and baseless proclamations, you can continue to be the voice of "dissent".

Just remember, "nothing is cheaper than an idea with no action."

John

 

[TheOne]

Sorry to interrupt the bun fight but most of the IPT 2007 TOur Card qualifiers have been posted on the IPT website if anyones interested...

http://internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/event_qualifiers/na_06_open_default.asp

 

[mnShooter]

How many players do you think will be playing in each qualifier? I can't see more than 12 playing in each. I think there will be less than 6 at some of the events. Do you still get free entry into another qualifier if you get 3rd-6th?

 

[Celtic]

Sorry to interrupt the bun fight but most of the IPT 2007 TOur Card qualifiers have been posted on the IPT website if anyones interested...

http://internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/event_qualifiers/na_06_open_default.asp

3 Tournaments in Toronto and not a single event in Western Canada? What the hell is up with that? There is no reason for the East to get every event in Canada. There should have been at LEAST 1 event in Western Canada. Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver are NOT small cities and they have large pool playing communities with talent that easily equals Toronto.

Way to bias the IPT towards the Eastern players. They would get far more entries into an event in Calgary, Edmonton or Vancouver then they will in the third Toronto event. Dumb move and totally unfair to the pool players of Western Canada.

 

[jwpretd]

3 Tournaments in Toronto and not a single event in Western Canada? What the hell is up with that?.... There should have been at LEAST 1 event in Western Canada....

I thought that pool halls that wanted to host qualifying events had to go to the IPT and volunteer and agree to meet certain conditions. Is that not correct? Does the IPT go around the world seeking out places and asking them to please hold qualifying events?

-- jwp

 

[TheOne]

3 Tournaments in Toronto and not a single event in Western Canada? What the hell is up with that? There is no reason for the East to get every event in Canada. There should have been at LEAST 1 event in Western Canada. Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver are NOT small cities and they have large pool playing communities with talent that easily equals Toronto.

Way to bias the IPT towards the Eastern players. They would get far more entries into an event in Calgary, Edmonton or Vancouver then they will in the third Toronto event. Dumb move and totally unfair to the pool players of Western Canada.

Agree, from what I've heard calgary is an excellent pool town. But I think our fellow poster is correct in that its up to a pool hall in your area to throw their hat into the ring and hold a qualifier.

 

[etimmons]

Ipt

Gee, it seems that so far they have been able to run 60 qualifiers without a PROBLEM. At least none that weren't immediatley addressed. And if the players line up to play in the qualifiers WHO CARES!

Let's see, next year the players who are TOUR CARD holders are guaranteed how much? Somebody? 13,000? 28,000? I have no idea how much they are GUARANTEED for NEVER winning a match but it is definitely well more than $2000. Plus there is the nebulous $100,000 guarantee. This is definitley worth shooting for all by itself.

Let's not forget however that the total prize money the players in these qualifiers are shooting for is something like 13,000,000 (thirteen MILLION) Dr. Dissent and Gabber. Let's try that again, 13 Million Dollars in prize money. Is that worth it for a player of any decent quality to shoot for? I'd say so. Maybe you two feel like Kevin should just give every pool player on the planet money for just being a pool player. Fortunately for us fans he makes them EARN the shot at getting the money so that WE get to see the BEST OF THE BEST at the final table of every IPT event.

No handpicked political BS. Just the best sir. If you can't cut it on tour then you ain't playing and that's that. Finally being a professional pool player will mean something and will be something to strive for and be proud of.

Maybe we'll see pool schools like you see tennis camps and diving camps and baseball camps and golf camps where youngsters are encouraged to follow their dream. Maybe the kids of tomorrow won't have to GAMBLE to hone their skills. Maybe the general level of pool players will increase to feed the pro tour.

I once paid $3000 to attend a diving camp at Mission Viejo training facility in Florida. This is where many olympic divers trained. The two weeks I spent there paid far more dividends than the 3 dimes ever cost me. If I were a slightly better player I wouldn't think anything of spending $2000 to try and become an IPT pro.

If the IPT succeeds - and I hope it does, then the next generation of players is going to really reap the rewards.

Is the IPT going to be switching things around during the next years? Sure. It's a growth process. Is the PGA ran just like it was when it was formed? No. Are the rules, requirements, and rewards the same? Of course not.

You guys can nitpick all you want. It won't change anything. Ten years from now you'll still be finding things to ***** about the IPT and "prove" it's evil.

Here is the BOTTOM LINE. The IPT is a professional tour for professional players. The WPA is a Non-Profit Organization for amateur players. The WPA has done very little to increase the job security and raise the median income for professional players during the course of it's existence. The WPA has done a lot to promote the growth of amateur pool throughout the world which has led to an influx of players capable of playing professionally. This does not entitle the WPA to any part of the profits enjoyed by a professional tour nor a tithe by the professionals on that tour. The WPA gets it's money from the organizations under it which get money from their subordinates which get their money from THE PLAYERS.

Yes, Thorsten Hohmann is a product of organized play. But that system was in place BEFORE the WPA existed and Thorsten PAID for the PRIVILEGE to participate in it. If the WPA wanted to OWN him then they should have provided a platform for him to EARN a living. Right before Thorsten won the World Championship (Put on and funded by MATCHROOM) in 2003 he was ready to QUIT. Why would such a fine player and "product" of the WPA system be ready to quit pool? Because there was little opportunity for him to earn a living at the sport he loved without great expense.

Now at least the opportunity is FAR greater than the expense. $2000 per qualifier for a chance at a share of 13 million is far more rewarding than any other tournament series to date. Not to mention the $100,000 guarantee for being a card holder. I guarantee you that if Kevin pays off on that promise then there will be thousands of players vying for the IPT each year. AND that my friends is the way it should be.

If that happens everything will be better. Local tournaments will pay out several thousand. Journeyman semi-pros will be able to earn a hundred thousand a year without having to hustle around. More pool cues, tables, cloth, soda pop, table time, lessons, books, videos and so on will be sold.

Bet on it!

John

John

John. well said!!

 

[etimmons]

Ipt

Oh, so you have the inside scoop on Kevin Trudeau's finances? You know what kinds of deals he has in place or is working on? Listen Miss Cleo if you are so damn psychic why don't you predict something useful like a winning lottery number and start your own tour? Otherwise I'd suggest you get some good drugs to brighten your world cuz you are a major downer.

If the WPA and BCA has done so much for pool where are the jumior programs? Any that exist are not in place because of the WPA/BCA they are there because of INDIVIDUALS who care enough to run them. Just as there is ONE INDIVIDUAL who cares enough to run a professional pool tour with some SUBSTANCE to it.

Since you won't post here with you real name and your qualifications to make your statements I have to conclude that most of what you say is purely ignorant conjecture.

I, on the other hand, spent ten years in Europe playing in the Deutsche Billard Union, The European Pool and Billiard Federation, the Deutsche Sport-Automaten Bund (Lowen-Sport/Valley) and the local leagues under them. Over here I participated in the BCA, VNEA, and APA leagues.

I am familiar with the way the WPA works and all the organizations under them. If anything, (and oh how I despise this term) the WPA could be the "governing body" of amateur pool. Except for one little thing - the APA, the BCA, and the VNEA don't play along, use different rules and don't pay any sanctioning fees to the WPA.

Please correct me if I am wrong but has the WPA ever received one cent from any of the APA, VNEA, or even the BCA National/International tournaments in Vegas? I mean these are mulitmillion dollar events that have gone on longer than the WPA has been in existence? Has the WPA received any funding from them or had any input whatsoever into how these events are ran? If not, why not? Why are they any different than Kevin Trudeau? After all these organizations affect far more pool players than Kevin Trudeau. Why aren't you worried about the detrimental effect of forcing hundreds of thousands of players to play bar box 8-ball instead of creating a platform for them to be exposed to 9-ball, 14.1 and 8 ball like Thorsten was?

Never in previous years have I ever heard you or anyone like you being down on the WPA for not forcing a world standard of competition. NEver, not once, not ever did you jump up and say the APA is ruining pool.

The truth is that you are an ignorant whiny crybaby who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. You probably can't run three friggin' balls as the esteemed Crazy Larry would say. NOw this is just my opinon of course not knowing who you are and just going by the content of your posts. You could be the most reasonable patient in your asylum for all I know.

John

John, well said again.

 

[TheOne]

Oh, so you have the inside scoop on Kevin Trudeau's finances? You know what kinds of deals he has in place or is working on? Listen Miss Cleo if you are so damn psychic why don't you predict something useful like a winning lottery number and start your own tour? Otherwise I'd suggest you get some good drugs to brighten your world cuz you are a major downer.

If the WPA and BCA has done so much for pool where are the jumior programs? Any that exist are not in place because of the WPA/BCA they are there because of INDIVIDUALS who care enough to run them. Just as there is ONE INDIVIDUAL who cares enough to run a professional pool tour with some SUBSTANCE to it.

Since you won't post here with you real name and your qualifications to make your statements I have to conclude that most of what you say is purely ignorant conjecture.

I, on the other hand, spent ten years in Europe playing in the Deutsche Billard Union, The European Pool and Billiard Federation, the Deutsche Sport-Automaten Bund (Lowen-Sport/Valley) and the local leagues under them. Over here I participated in the BCA, VNEA, and APA leagues.

I am familiar with the way the WPA works and all the organizations under them. If anything, (and oh how I despise this term) the WPA could be the "governing body" of amateur pool. Except for one little thing - the APA, the BCA, and the VNEA don't play along, use different rules and don't pay any sanctioning fees to the WPA.

Please correct me if I am wrong but has the WPA ever received one cent from any of the APA, VNEA, or even the BCA National/International tournaments in Vegas? I mean these are mulitmillion dollar events that have gone on longer than the WPA has been in existence? Has the WPA received any funding from them or had any input whatsoever into how these events are ran? If not, why not? Why are they any different than Kevin Trudeau? After all these organizations affect far more pool players than Kevin Trudeau. Why aren't you worried about the detrimental effect of forcing hundreds of thousands of players to play bar box 8-ball instead of creating a platform for them to be exposed to 9-ball, 14.1 and 8 ball like Thorsten was?

Never in previous years have I ever heard you or anyone like you being down on the WPA for not forcing a world standard of competition. NEver, not once, not ever did you jump up and say the APA is ruining pool.

The truth is that you are an ignorant whiny crybaby who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. You probably can't run three friggin' balls as the esteemed Crazy Larry would say. NOw this is just my opinon of course not knowing who you are and just going by the content of your posts. You could be the most reasonable patient in your asylum for all I know.

John

High Five! well Said!