2010 Texas State BCAPL 9-Ball Championships

the reason i asked my question about working with the local league operators is i was told that most of the texas bca operators did not
want badboys productions running a tournament in texas , maybe this
was the reason the info was not passed along ?
 
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jamaicajoes said:
Just thought I would chime in with a different perspective that players may not consider. The economy is very tough right now and bars and pool rooms are dropping like flies. I own the largest pool room/bar in the Okc area and thanks to Bad Boys and Remington Park, I lost the APA city wide tournament in January. That event generates about $25000.00 in revenue for my business. I have spent over $60,000.00 on Diamond tables and now I am losing business to the company that promotes their tables. I pay half of the league fees for all of my teams (APA,BCA and USAPL) every week. I have paid over $25000.00 in league fees this year and now an outside company comes in and gets all the gravy. Where are the players going to play when all of the local bars and pool rooms are out of business? Who is Diamond going to sell tables to when we are out of business? All of the bar and pool room owners in Okc are pissed. There will not be a warm welcome in Okc. Bill
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Bill, as far as the term "Gravy" goes. I can tell you it is no gravy setting up those events. It costs a lot of money and takes a huge amount of time. I dont mean to argue but in Ohio most people play in leagues so they can play in the tournaments like the ones Bad Boys promotes. The room owners around our area generally see a spike in business prior to these events as players practice up before them. May I suggest that you find a way to work other promoters to grow the sport rather than trying to alienate eachother.
A room owner told me once "Of we all add to the water, all of our boats will rise." Again, I am not trying to be argumentative, just offering another point of view. Good luck with your pool room. I hope you remain in business for many years to come
 
If there wasnt any "GRAVY"...then these events would not happen...period. As the Texas 9 ball didnt go off because the "GRAVY" would have had no flour or milk...sorry for Bill as he has great tournaments year in and year out...with "great" added money from his pockets...and a shame he spent $$$ on those Diamonds...but Jamaicia Joes will survive...because of Bill...and Bill will prolly suffer some becuase BadBoys has found a central location obviously willing to support pool....and I see this being a sucess in OKC...maybe Bill can get in as a sponsor and maybe get "ACTION" at his place from players at these events as I know "pool players" will NOT want to pay $1 a game to gamble.....so if "Bill" has a "special" on table time during this event maybe he can draw some business from this event....just my opinion...


Thanks
Troyce
 
Chris, I would like to explain a little deeper about the remington park situation. Most of the bars in Oklahoma used to have some gambling machines (AKA cherry masters etc.)
until Remington Park threw a fit with all of the politicians to outlaw them. They wanted the monopoly.These machines generated great revenue for the bars and pool rooms. When the state cracked down on them, 25 bars in the Okc area went out of business. Remington Park is doing every thing they can to put us out of business so they can have all of the alcohol sales also. Now we are sending our pool business to them? If this kind of thing continues, we might as well close up shop and let the pool players play league out there. Oh yeah, they dont have pool tables except when bad boys comes in. As far as promoting pool, I promote pool more than anyone in the state of Oklahoma. I have about 45 league teams per week and I pay half of their weekly dues. I have many tournaments every year with good added money, and I work with all of the other owners in the are to advertise their events. When you have a half million dollars of your money invested in your business and an outside company comes in and costs you $25,000 then you will feel the pain.
 
jamaicajoes said:
Just thought I would chime in with a different perspective that players may not consider. The economy is very tough right now and bars and pool rooms are dropping like flies. I own the largest pool room/bar in the Okc area and thanks to Bad Boys and Remington Park, I lost the APA city wide tournament in January. That event generates about $25000.00 in revenue for my business. I have spent over $60,000.00 on Diamond tables and now I am losing business to the company that promotes their tables. I pay half of the league fees for all of my teams (APA,BCA and USAPL) every week. I have paid over $25000.00 in league fees this year and now an outside company comes in and gets all the gravy. Where are the players going to play when all of the local bars and pool rooms are out of business? Who is Diamond going to sell tables to when we are out of business? All of the bar and pool room owners in Okc are pissed. There will not be a warm welcome in Okc. Bill
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I agree 100%!:thumbup:

Let me say this in Bill's behalf! There are only 2 rooms that equal to Bill/Jamaica Joe's as far as promoting the sport, that I frequently attend. Jim McDermott at Magoo's in Tulsa ( I hear it has been sold) and Dan Tull at Shooter's in Olatha, Kansas. Bill's ($2500 added/ 100% pay back) yearly tournament that bring in players from the Dallas area to play because, in North Central Texas we have no rooms that promote the sport. I've been trying to get a Seniors Tour started and can't get one room to add $500, they want your business but refuse to give back a penny. I'm a LLP in Cool River Café (Austin,TX. & Denver, Co.) and a former GM of Zoli's Sports Bar & Billiards and fully understand the bottom line and if you can't afford $500 for a two day tournament your in serious trouble or you just don't promote the game you paying bills with. I venture to say that the two days of Bill's tournament two weeks ago, he make back most of the added money from food alone (great food too). The rooms here in Texas missed the conception of cars in the parking draw others in to see what is happening.

Great job Bill as always! :thumbup:
 
this just seems to be another case of the big companies trying to come in
and take the money from the small mom and pop operation , before long if
we are not careful we will have to go play our league tournaments at our
friendly local walmart super center!
 
I can tell you that BadBoys is not the big company. We are trying to do a bigger tournament than bars and pool halls can do. Tournaments that have more tables plus more players equals a bigger pool of competition and bigger prize funds. Players will go to the local locations that have the same tables as the big event to practice.
Ii can go on and on about how this should benefit everyone and everybody can come back with how it won't. I don't want to get into a big battle of opinions. I do want to say from Bad Boys point of view, we believe we are attempting something good for all and for the game I love.
As far as not receiving a warm welcome in Oklahoma City, well that's just sad. I am more than willing to work with everyone to make pool the sport it should be. Feel free to e-mail me and maybe we can come up with something for the future
 
jamaicajoes said:
Just thought I would chime in with a different perspective that players may not consider. The economy is very tough right now and bars and pool rooms are dropping like flies. I own the largest pool room/bar in the Okc area and thanks to Bad Boys and Remington Park, I lost the APA city wide tournament in January. That event generates about $25000.00 in revenue for my business. I have spent over $60,000.00 on Diamond tables and now I am losing business to the company that promotes their tables. I pay half of the league fees for all of my teams (APA,BCA and USAPL) every week. I have paid over $25000.00 in league fees this year and now an outside company comes in and gets all the gravy. Where are the players going to play when all of the local bars and pool rooms are out of business? Who is Diamond going to sell tables to when we are out of business? All of the bar and pool room owners in Okc are pissed. There will not be a warm welcome in Okc. Bill
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I feel for ya Jamaicajoe.....You have every right to be pissed.....Whats going on here is the same thing as the Wpba has had forever....They hold all events at casinos or whatnot, well guess who they are stabbing in the back? The pool rooms where all the girls play. Why cant they hold the events? Theres plenty big enough rooms around the country to hold 64 man events.....
And what diamond is doing , yes your right there too. They want to sale overpriced tables to everyone, then try and not let them hold the big events on them, they want to be involved in all...
And Badboys well thats another whole discussion, id rather not get into right now, may take an hour to type.
 
Isn't there someone else to consider here? Like the players?

It's been made to sound here as if this whole league tournament thing is local pool hall and bar owners teamed up against out-of-towners and casinos with the leagues stuck in the middle as the big payoff, the reward, the gravy. I don't think that's the real situation.

I agree that Jamaica Joe's is the largest and at least one of the nicest pool room/bars in central Oklahoma. I like to play there; I drive 25 miles one way across Oklahoma City to play league there. The equipment, 10 Diamond tables, is first rate and maintained well, the staff is great, and the customers are friendly and pleasant (well, there was that one guy). But neither it nor any other location of its type in central Oklahoma is large enough to accomodte the 40+ teams of the Oklahoma City APA Local Team Championships all on one weekend. Jamaica Joe's is the only location really large enough in central Oklahoma for the tournament and when it's held there, the one tournament must be split over two weekends, which can cause scheduling problems and extra expense for some players,

For this discussion, forget the fact that Remington Park is a casino. It was not chosen as a tournament location because of its casino. For tournament purposes, Remington Park offers an huge room with 40 or more Diamond tables in new condition, clean air, multiple on-site restaurants, virtually unlimited parking, nearby lodging, and an excellent location. It's a beautiful venue and the players like it. Since the players are the league, don't they deserve some consideration in the decision? Also, putting the tournament at this location means all the tournament matches, plus a bunch of mini-tournaments and qualifiers can be played on the same one weekend.

I understand that at least some of the club and poolroom owners don't like it, but wait a minute, only one of them can benefit anyway. If the tournament is held at one location, what about all the other club owners that never get to see any of the gravy? They put money and effort into supporting their teams too. Don't they deserve some return? Yes, they do and they get it. It's not the gravy; it's the meat and potatos that comes every week. Let's not forget that a club that sponsors 40 league teams has 20 of those teams and their opponents -- 40 teams total -- playing at home every week. That's about 300 customers, half of whom are players the club might never see otherwise.

What I have said won't please everyone, but it seems to me that when pool is being played in nice venues, whether it be local clubs, poolrooms, and bars or at special event locations, that in itself is promoting pool, which helps everyone.
 
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