2010 Texas State BCAPL 9-Ball Championships

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I will have to let Ric and BadBoy Billiards weigh in on this, but my impression was that you are incorrect in your assumptions.

There were not enough available locations and what was available was exactly that.....astronomical (SP?). People will not stay in the host hotel when the best price you could get is 80-110 a night and Motel 6 is just a few miles away. That was exactly the problem when the tournament was going to different cities each year. The promoter owed all kinds of cash because he couldn't cover the amount of rooms they demanded.

I suppose they could try and do what the ACS is proposing for their Nationals next year: Put a 50-125 fee added to the entry as a voucher that you "get back" if you stay at the host hotel. I think that is going to be the Kiss Of Death for their tournament.

That's why they chose a centrally located venue that gave them a decent price.

I sit there and listen to the players all thoughout the tournaments and it's amazing to hear some of the complaints.

Matches to close together, to far apart, played too early, played too late, tables cost too much, table should have been open and added that cost to the entry, entry too low or there would have been more payout, entry too high, too smokey, they won't let me smoke, they let masters play-had I known that I would have stayed home, I'm a master and you're telling me I can't play???, the cloth is too fast, the cloth is too slow, on and on and on....but the best one "If I have to pay that for one more beer I'm going into the parking lot and drink a 6 pack" :)

It's a thankless job and you still have to make a profit unless you're rich and like giving your money away.

Without knowing the specifics on venues and pricing that are available in Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, San Antonio, or Austin I could be wrong, but I have to think between those 4 large cities you could find a venue or three that would work much better overall. The current location obviously isn't working.
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It is working, it just didn't work for the 9 Ball tourney which has more to do with the game of 9 Ball than location
 
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I do feel for anyone trying to promote this sport and make money and not get broke in the process. I do hope that all the thanks that you recieve have a greater impact than all the negative responses. Keep up the great work.
 
I will say this, in the big cities I haven't found a location that's less than $1000 per day, food and alcohol to high, and room rates higher than people going to pool tournaments want to pay.
I have called hundreds and hundreds of places. For now Harker Heights is what works. We thought since their was an 8-ball tournament that does ok then maybe 9-ball would work.
Lesson learned! Maybe 10-ball? I am asking for Texas To step up and let us know what they want.
To cover the advertising. I have a certain amount of money to work with so I don't want to blow it on advertising. Either the players help spread the word or we spend the added money spreading the word our selves.
We at Bad Boys with the help of the BCAPL are trying to give everyone the best event possible.
Maybe I misread a post earlier that said something about 50,000 in coin drop. If that's what it said, sorry but your math is very wrong.
If you have any questions feel free to e-mail me ric@badboysbp.com
 
pooljunkie4ever said:
I do feel for anyone trying to promote this sport and make money and not get broke in the process. I do hope that all the thanks that you recieve have a greater impact than all the negative responses. Keep up the great work.
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I didn't see any negative responses at all in this thread, just suggestions from people that might help increase attendance which seems in line considering it had to be cancelled due to lack or participation. The promoter also seemed to be open to, if not asking for, suggestions.

Speaking for myself, and probably (hopefully) most of us, we have nothing but appreciation for the hard work and effort that promoters put in so that we can have any tournaments at all to go to. We also realize that no tournament is going to be perfect and that there are always going to be drawbacks that you don't find ideal. That doesn't mean that there aren't ways to get greater participation, and one of the primary ways that a promoter would find out how to increase the participation at one of their events is to give consideration to the suggestions from those that might actually attend. From what I could tell the people's suggestions in this thread were intended to be of help and to give feedback and not to just whine or complain.
 
The simple answer is that this event is 9 ball....not location...we travel as about as far as anybody to go to these state tournaments(from Amarillo)...we are used to it. 9 ball is an individual game...not many 9 ball teams....not even an event in Vegas...8 ball is more of a team event and several teams start out the year with going to state and Vegas as team goals. The 8 ball state event in (March-April) is always a "HUGE" event...an average of about 100 teams...and to my knowledge the E-center is free or next to nothing in cost...they make their money on alcohol(mainly from me) and food...so these people(Bad Boys) who run/promote these tournaments will always use this building and location...it makes their profit margin way better as opposed to paying like maybe $5000 for a building from Wed-Mon...so we will be playing in Harker Heights from now on...unless someone else opens a venue like the E-center...anyway I am a League Operator also and no one in Amarillo was really interested in the 9 ball event and have never really participated in it...but no matter how far the 8 ball is we always have decent turnout...we even had 3 teams in Corpus in 07 and that was FARRRRR!!!! Also maybe the time of year hurt this event with Holidays being close...and maybe better promoting would have helped...but in the end I think the fact that is was 9 ball is what caused the lack of turn out....but what do I know....lol
 
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amarillopool said:
The simple answer is that this event is 9 ball....not location...we travel as about as far as anybody to go to these state tournaments(from Amarillo)...we are used to it. 9 ball is an individual game...not many 9 ball teams....not even an event in Vegas...8 ball is more of a team event and several teams start out the year with going to state and Vegas as team goals. The 8 ball state event in (March-April) is always a "HUGE" event...an average of about 100 teams...and to my knowledge the E-center is free or next to nothing in cost...they make their money on alcohol(mainly from me) and food...so these people(Bad Boys) who run/promote these tournaments will always use this building and location...it makes their profit margin way better as opposed to paying like maybe $5000 for a building from Wed-Mon...so we will be playing in Harker Heights from now on...unless someone else opens a venue like the E-center...anyway I am a League Operator also and no one in Amarillo was really interested in the 9 ball event and have never really participated in it...but no matter how far the 8 ball is we always have decent turnout...we even had 3 teams in Corpus in 07 and that was FARRRRR!!!! Also maybe the time of year hurt this event with Holidays being close...and maybe better promoting would have helped...but in the end I think the fact that is was 9 ball is what caused the lack of turn out....but what do I know....lol
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You know a lot sir!!
 
We have found a location that will support pool, we will put out the announcement tomorrow. But I can tell you the event is in Oklahoma City only 200 miles from Dallas. The event is in Jan.
Hope to see a bunch of our friends and players from Texas
 
Maybe the tour format has become more popular than a state championship format. The lone star tour just pull in over 100ppl for a two day event in Houston. They've had nice turn-outs in Austin too.

I can certainly appreciate that setting up a venue that's not a pool hall is a huge deal. Maybe it's not sustainable unless it's a truly significant tourney with $15K+.

The LSBT stop put out over $10K and Hillbilly enjoyed over $1400 in lunch money. (w/o auction, which IDK)

How many tables do you put out for these state champs?
 
One name comes to mind and it's the River Wind where they hold the Womens Open tournament.
 
This makes me laugh out loud and frustrates me all at the same time.

Everyone keeps saying the central location in a small city hurts. Well, everyone but me.

Well, tell me, will people from Houston or San Antonio or Austin now travel to Oklahoma City for this tournament? NO.

UGH.
 
We have posted the OB Cues 8-Ball Mania in the tournament forum. All at Remington Park in Oklahoma City. We will be having 8-ball singles, teams and a $2500 10-ball event. You can also get all the info and entry forms at Badboysbp.com
Let's us know what you think!
 
akaTrigger said:
I think the location is excellent! Center of the state, room big enough to hold all the tables, cost-effective for Bad Boys to hold it there.

I have loved the idea from day one that it is in the center of the state. I never have time to sight see or look around. Give me a hotel, decent restaurants, and pool, and I am happy. :)
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I think you have the same sentiment as most too. Right now in Texas scheduling is a huge problem as the market has become so saturated. There are no longer any events in Texas to speak of, only weekly monthly tournaments
and let's face it people these days only have so much money to spend and for 90% tournaments are a losing proposition. Attendance is down at all tournaments and that effects the added money greatly. Even though itis my personal opinion that added money in Texas has never been a big deal anyway. the biggest tournament in Texas regarding added money, the Corpus Christi Classic never filled up. Thus,, it is a thing of the past. The owners heart was finally broken.
As far as scheduling conflicts, they are going to happen and more complicated to avoid than most realize. i used to think it was intentional and I have changed my feelings on that too.
The solution? I haven't a damn clue?
i would though lighten up a bit on Bad Boys and Harker Heights. It is hard to find a suitable and affordable venue for these things and I am sure they are there for very good reasons. To put something like this on is expensive and not nearly as lucrative as many believe! JMHO!
 
akaTrigger said:
This makes me laugh out loud and frustrates me all at the same time.

Everyone keeps saying the central location in a small city hurts. Well, everyone but me.

Well, tell me, will people from Houston or San Antonio or Austin now travel to Oklahoma City for this tournament? NO.

UGH.
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I feel your pain. Players from Houston and San Antonio have never seen the "Leaving Houston or Leaving San Antonio" sign.

If we start a bet now on teams from houston, San Antonio , or Austin in OKC. I make th over/under 20, people, not teams!
 
akaTrigger said:
This makes me laugh out loud and frustrates me all at the same time.

Everyone keeps saying the central location in a small city hurts. Well, everyone but me.

Well, tell me, will people from Houston or San Antonio or Austin now travel to Oklahoma City for this tournament? NO.

UGH.
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I feel your pain. Players from Houston and San Antonio have never seen the "Leaving Houston or Leaving San Antonio" sign.

If we start a bet now on teams from houston, San Antonio , or Austin in OKC. I make th over/under 20, people, not teams!
 
twocardchris said:
sending them information , does not neccessarily mean they were working together to promote this event
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True enough i guess but one would thin League operators would know how to take the ball and run, but assuming the obvious can be costly to all. So you are 100% right and it got cancelled! Now it has moved out of state!!
 
Just thought I would chime in with a different perspective that players may not consider. The economy is very tough right now and bars and pool rooms are dropping like flies. I own the largest pool room/bar in the Okc area and thanks to Bad Boys and Remington Park, I lost the APA city wide tournament in January. That event generates about $25000.00 in revenue for my business. I have spent over $60,000.00 on Diamond tables and now I am losing business to the company that promotes their tables. I pay half of the league fees for all of my teams (APA,BCA and USAPL) every week. I have paid over $25000.00 in league fees this year and now an outside company comes in and gets all the gravy. Where are the players going to play when all of the local bars and pool rooms are out of business? Who is Diamond going to sell tables to when we are out of business? All of the bar and pool room owners in Okc are pissed. There will not be a warm welcome in Okc. Bill
 
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