2017 US Bar Table Championships - Watch Live

Wednesday Stream Schedule

Here are the live stream 9-Ball Division match-ups for today. All times are pacific.

WEDNESDAY, DEC. 13
1:00pm: Jesse Engel vs Demetrius Jelatis
2:30pm: Shaun Wilkie vs Ernesto Dominguez or Mark Wissman
4:00pm: Shane Van Boening vs Mitch Ellerman
5:30pm: James Aranas vs Amar Kang
7:00pm: Shane Van Boening or Mitch Ellerman vs James Aranas or Amar Kang
8:30pm: ​4th place match - players TBD

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jay helfert said:
The U.S. pros are back in their element and playing well again. :rolleyes:
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Hey Jay,

Mosconi Cup format question, what do you think would happen if the same 5 on 5 matched up, except there would be only singles matches, one per day, each race to 25 and winner break. Leave the 9 on the spot to satisfy the Euro rule. 5 day competition and no one player can play twice.

Boy, this would make for some heavy side bet action!
 
I do not understand why people hate on bar boxes so much. Are you guys saying that you can easily beat the ghost on a 7' vs a 9' table? 7' tables have their own challenge with added traffic. Same thing goes with the US losing the Mosconi Cup again. It sounds like you guys are saying they lost because the pro's play tournaments on 7' tables. I have a 9' table at home and compete on 7' tables everywhere I shoot because thats almost all there is in this area. I don't see where playing on 7' tables hurts my performance on 9' tables. What makes a 9' table so much more challenging than a bar box anyway? The extra 20" longer that your shot may be?? It seems to me that if that extra 20" makes a shot that much tougher that you may need a touch more practice. Also with fast cloth and cushions that are everywhere now its not like people dont have enough stroke to get around a 9' table, if anything it makes the 7' tables tougher because its so easy to over run position.
 
fastone371 said:
I do not understand why people hate on bar boxes so much. Are you guys saying that you can easily beat the ghost on a 7' vs a 9' table? 7' tables have their own challenge with added traffic. Same thing goes with the US losing the Mosconi Cup again. It sounds like you guys are saying they lost because the pro's play tournaments on 7' tables. I have a 9' table at home and compete on 7' tables everywhere I shoot because thats almost all there is in this area. I don't see where playing on 7' tables hurts my performance on 9' tables. What makes a 9' table so much more challenging than a bar box anyway? The extra 20" longer that your shot may be?? It seems to me that if that extra 20" makes a shot that much tougher that you may need a touch more practice. Also with fast cloth and cushions that are everywhere now its not like people dont have enough stroke to get around a 9' table, if anything it makes the 7' tables tougher because its so easy to over run position.
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I am in the opposite position, I have a 7' at home, but my APA team plays on 9'. ( I grew up playing on big tables as well) I play A LOT on my home 7 footer, and only a couple times per week on the big table.

The big table has some longer shots, which can be negated to an extent with solid cue ball control, and the angles look different sometimes (to me anyway). But I have found that the shots that are high percentage for me at home, are still high percentage on the big table, likewise, the shots I struggle with at home are still a problem on the 9'. One guy told me that in a typical APA match, the average innings per match goes up by 4-5 when comparing 7' and 9' foot tables. (I have no way of validating that claim)

I don't understand the hate either. In 2016, The longest PGA golf course was torrey pines at 7,698 yards while pebble beach played 6,816 (almost a nine hundred yard difference) I wonder if the PGA players all whined about how easy pebble beach is because it is a little course.:wink:
 
jokrswylde said:
I am in the opposite position, I have a 7' at home, but my APA team plays on 9'. ( I grew up playing on big tables as well) I play A LOT on my home 7 footer, and only a couple times per week on the big table.

The big table has some longer shots, which can be negated to an extent with solid cue ball control, and the angles look different sometimes (to me anyway). But I have found that the shots that are high percentage for me at home, are still high percentage on the big table, likewise, the shots I struggle with at home are still a problem on the 9'. One guy told me that in a typical APA match, the average innings per match goes up by 4-5 when comparing 7' and 9' foot tables. (I have no way of validating that claim)

I don't understand the hate either. In 2016, The longest PGA golf course was torrey pines at 7,698 yards while pebble beach played 6,816 (almost a nine hundred yard difference) I wonder if the PGA players all whined about how easy pebble beach is because it is a little course.:wink:
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I wonder if that inning difference between 7' and 9' tables is compared with Valley or Diamond tables. I see a lot guys struggle with Diamonds when they play almost exclusively on Valleys.
 
fastone371 said:
I do not understand why people hate on bar boxes so much. Are you guys saying that you can easily beat the ghost on a 7' vs a 9' table? 7' tables have their own challenge with added traffic. Same thing goes with the US losing the Mosconi Cup again. It sounds like you guys are saying they lost because the pro's play tournaments on 7' tables. I have a 9' table at home and compete on 7' tables everywhere I shoot because thats almost all there is in this area. I don't see where playing on 7' tables hurts my performance on 9' tables. What makes a 9' table so much more challenging than a bar box anyway? The extra 20" longer that your shot may be?? It seems to me that if that extra 20" makes a shot that much tougher that you may need a touch more practice. Also with fast cloth and cushions that are everywhere now its not like people dont have enough stroke to get around a 9' table, if anything it makes the 7' tables tougher because its so easy to over run position.
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I don't hate on the 7' tables. I have no problem playing with my nephew for a couple hrs. on his 2' table. :grin-square:
I have a 9'er at home. My game ALWAYS goes up a notch when I go out and play on a Bar Box.
 
fastone371 said:
I do not understand why people hate on bar boxes so much. Are you guys saying that you can easily beat the ghost on a 7' vs a 9' table? 7' tables have their own challenge with added traffic. Same thing goes with the US losing the Mosconi Cup again. It sounds like you guys are saying they lost because the pro's play tournaments on 7' tables. I have a 9' table at home and compete on 7' tables everywhere I shoot because thats almost all there is in this area. I don't see where playing on 7' tables hurts my performance on 9' tables. What makes a 9' table so much more challenging than a bar box anyway? The extra 20" longer that your shot may be?? It seems to me that if that extra 20" makes a shot that much tougher that you may need a touch more practice. Also with fast cloth and cushions that are everywhere now its not like people dont have enough stroke to get around a 9' table, if anything it makes the 7' tables tougher because its so easy to over run position.
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I absolutely destroy the ghost on a 7 footer, and while I do have a video of me convincingly winning against the ghost on a goofy Red Label Diamond 9 footer, I have to be playing a lot to be in stroke enough to do so. It's just night and day how much easier the game of 9 ball is on a 7 footer.

To beat the 9 ball ghost on a 7 footer, no effort is required. With ball in hand, I am likely the favorite to win against the 8 ball ghost as well.

Short Bus Russ
 
jokrswylde said:
I am in the opposite position, I have a 7' at home, but my APA team plays on 9'. ( I grew up playing on big tables as well) I play A LOT on my home 7 footer, and only a couple times per week on the big table.

The big table has some longer shots, which can be negated to an extent with solid cue ball control, and the angles look different sometimes (to me anyway). But I have found that the shots that are high percentage for me at home, are still high percentage on the big table, likewise, the shots I struggle with at home are still a problem on the 9'. One guy told me that in a typical APA match, the average innings per match goes up by 4-5 when comparing 7' and 9' foot tables. (I have no way of validating that claim)

I don't understand the hate either. In 2016, The longest PGA golf course was torrey pines at 7,698 yards while pebble beach played 6,816 (almost a nine hundred yard difference) I wonder if the PGA players all whined about how easy pebble beach is because it is a little course.:wink:
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Based on my experience the guy who told you the average of 4-5 innings per match is correct.

For about 3 years I played apa double jeapordy at a venue that rotated all the teams between valleys and gold crowns. Most players averaged 4-5 innings per match more in the gold crowns that they did on the valleys. 4's and below the average was raised to 7-8 innings. How I know this for a fact is because I kept stats on all my players....innings....skill level of opponent they faced...won / lost. Safes ...basically everything that was recorded on a scoresheet I kept in a loose leaf binder.

In my travel division we played on diamond bar tables occasionally and saw no difference in innings vs valleys.

Some people do not like playing on all these different tables but I love it. I think it makes you an all around player if you are willing to adjust to the nuances of the different tables.

Some people are just not willing to adjust and prefer to play on one particular type or size table.

On other thing . On the nights we played on 9 footers league took about a half hour longer on average than when we played on valleys. Most of that extra time was attributed to 2's and 3's lol. For them a 20 inning match on a valley turned into a 30 inning match on a gold crown. I did have a 3 have a 9 ball break and run on a gold crown once....something I have not accomplished yet..sigh.
 
Dimeball said:
Hey Jay,

Mosconi Cup format question, what do you think would happen if the same 5 on 5 matched up, except there would be only singles matches, one per day, each race to 25 and winner break. Leave the 9 on the spot to satisfy the Euro rule. 5 day competition and no one player can play twice.

Boy, this would make for some heavy side bet action!
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It will never happen number one and number two, if it did, the scores would be even more lopsided! If they play winner breaks, Shane might finally win a match. All the people on here talking about what would happen in longer races or money matches don't want to see the truth of the matter. The European players have surpassed the Americans and the separation is getting bigger, not smaller. That does NOT mean I'm anti-American. It means I'm truthful.
 
Live Stream Matches for Thursday - Dec. 14

Here are the live stream match-ups for today. All times are pacific.

THURSDAY, DEC. 14
1:00pm: James Aranas vs Jesse Engel (9-Ball Semi-Final)
2:30pm: Shane Van Boening vs James Aranas or Jesse Engel (9-Ball Final Set 1)
4:00pm: Shane Van Boening vs James Aranas or Jesse Engel (9-Ball Final Set 2 - if necessary)
5:30pm: Jessica Frideres vs Heather Cortez (Women's 9-Ball Final Set 1)
7:00pm: Jessica Frideres vs Heather Cortez (Women's 9-Ball Final Set 2 if necessary)
8:30pm: ​8-Ball Division match - players TBD

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ShortBusRuss said:
I absolutely destroy the ghost on a 7 footer, and while I do have a video of me convincingly winning against the ghost on a goofy Red Label Diamond 9 footer, I have to be playing a lot to be in stroke enough to do so. It's just night and day how much easier the game of 9 ball is on a 7 footer.

To beat the 9 ball ghost on a 7 footer, no effort is required. With ball in hand, I am likely the favorite to win against the 8 ball ghost as well.

Short Bus Russ
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I dont play much 9 ball but I run more 8 ball racks on my 9' table than 7' tables. On the big table I dont have many balls to break out and I dont have to worry about hooking myself as easy because position areas are bigger. The side pockets play much larger on a 7' table vs the 9' table also, there is more cushion for every inch of pocket on the 9'. I am an expert at finding the side pocket when I need to draw back up table going side to side. As far as 9 ball vs the ghost I play about equal on both and my 7' table at home is a Valley with standard pockets, big table is a tight 4 1/2", probably actually 4 3/8" if someone wants to nitpick.
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Live Stream Matches for Friday - Dec. 15

Here are the live stream 8-Ball Division match-ups for today. All times are pacific.

FRIDAY, DEC. 15
1:00pm: Shane Van Boening vs Dennis Orcollo
2:30pm: Skyler Woodward or Josh Smith vs Shaun Wilkie or Demetrius Jelatis
4:00pm: Winners' Side Quarter Final - Players TBD
5:30pm: Winners' Side Quarter Final - Players TBD
7:00pm: Hot Seat Match - Players TBD
8:30pm: ​One-Loss Side - Players TBD

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