2022 US Amateur Championship

buckshotshoey

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Not sure why this hasn't been a topic on AZ as of yet. Jacob Watson of Tyler, Texas won the US Amateur Championship against former U.S Amateur Champion (‘11) Ernesto Bayaua of Tomball, Texas 11-8 to win.

Not sure how old this young man is, but he showed he had guts. As I write this, he has a Fargo of 686, and a 1212 robustness.
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Here is the final match...

 
buckshotshoey said:
Not sure why this hasn't been a topic on AZ as of yet. Jacob Watson of Tyler, Texas won the US Amateur Championship against former U.S Amateur Champion (‘11) Ernesto Bayaua of Tomball, Texas 11-8 to win.

Not sure how old this young man is, but he showed he had guts. As I write this, he has a Fargo of 686, and a 1212 robustness.
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Here is the final match...

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He has improved a lot. Congrats to him!
 
Both are definitely double "A" players, not quite pros, but definitely much better than what Id consider a amateur player to be .

Back on topic, Watson played very well, hes young & improving consistently , Im sure we'll be seeing alot of him on amateur circuit streams .
 
Is there a Fargo line that says amateur/pro? Or it it once the player plays to make a living at it he's considered pro?

Some of the tournaments around me say "no road players or pro's". Unless there a known local or played league recently who the hell knows what they are.
 
PracticeChampion said:
Is there a Fargo line that says amateur/pro? Or it it once the player plays to make a living at it he's considered pro?

Some of the tournaments around me say "no road players or pro's". Unless there a known local or played league recently who the hell knows what they are.
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"Professional players are not allowed to participate in the U.S. Amateur Championship. APA will consult with several professional tours concerning the status of any player. In addition, players who possess professional characteristics will not be allowed to participate. Professional characteristics include, but are not limited to: making the majority of one’s income giving exhibitions, giving lessons or playing pool. Please contact the APA if you think there is any possibility that you possess professional characteristics.
APA has a nationwide network of representatives and maintains a list of professional players throughout the country. APA intends to check the amateur status according to the above guidelines on every entrant into the U.S. Amateur Championship. Those entrants found to be in violation will be consulted and given an opportunity to appeal; however, APA has the final authority to make the judgment. Entry fees for those entrants found to be in violation will not be refunded."
 
easy-e said:
I played one year. I had to pay for a membership then win a qualifier. That was it. Never had to play an APA league.
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Correct. I did see on the website that the preliminary entry fees are $50 for APA members, and $75 for non APA members.

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U.S. Amateur Championships Rules of Particiaption

The Preliminary Rounds of the U.S. Amateur Championship will be conducted regionally. The size and number of Preliminary Rounds will depend upon the total number of entries. In order to hold a preliminary, locations must have a minimum of 16 participants in a division. Maximum participation is...
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buckshotshoey said:
"Professional players are not allowed to participate in the U.S. Amateur Championship. APA will consult with several professional tours concerning the status of any player. In addition, players who possess professional characteristics will not be allowed to participate. Professional characteristics include, but are not limited to: making the majority of one’s income giving exhibitions, giving lessons or playing pool. Please contact the APA if you think there is any possibility that you possess professional characteristics.
APA has a nationwide network of representatives and maintains a list of professional players throughout the country. APA intends to check the amateur status according to the above guidelines on every entrant into the U.S. Amateur Championship. Those entrants found to be in violation will be consulted and given an opportunity to appeal; however, APA has the final authority to make the judgment. Entry fees for those entrants found to be in violation will not be refunded."
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With how we all know pool is, that is a horrible way do decide who is a "pro" player. It's all skill. I mean look at some of the women players who are "pros", they would be getting a spot in many local tournaments from the local players.

I'd say anyone at or near 700 should not be playing in the APA unless they add another few rungs to the skill charts.

It's all wasted talk though since it's been talked about for years, along with sandbagging, and the APA has not changed anything. You not only need to hit them in the face with the logic and facts, you need to tie them up, bleed them a bit to weaken them then beat them up with the facts for about a week for anyone to say anything past "we take cheating very seriously" and actually follow up on the topic LOL Say that 600+ Fargo player that was a 5 in the national finals that was on the live stream with many comments about that little fact. I would bet he is still a 5 and still playing.

They are using a definition of a pro taken from other sports that do actually have a full on single country or global rating and earnings system in place. I mean based on that description of a "Pro", half the actual pro players won't qualify since they need to work a real job to make ends meet LOL
 
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hang-the-9 said:
With how we all know pool is, that is a horrible way do decide who is a "pro" player. It's all skill. I mean look at some of the women players who are "pros", they would be getting a spot in many local tournaments from the local players.

I'd say anyone at or near 700 should not be playing in the APA unless they add another few rungs to the skill charts.

It's all wasted talk though since it's been talked about for years, along with sandbagging, and the APA has not changed anything. You not only need to hit them in the face with the logic and facts, you need to tie them up, bleed them a bit to weaken them then beat them up with the facts for about a week for anyone to say anything past "we take cheating very seriously" and actually follow up on the topic LOL Say that 600+ Fargo player that was a 5 in the national finals that was on the live stream with many comments about that little fact. I would bet he is still a 5 and still playing.

They are using a definition of a pro taken from other sports that do actually have a full on single country or global rating and earnings system in place. I mean based on that description of a "Pro", half the actual pro players won't qualify since they need to work a real job to make ends meet LOL
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You are forgetting most players in the Amateur Championship come from the Masters Division... not regular leagues.
 
PracticeChampion said:
Is there a Fargo line that says amateur/pro? Or it it once the player plays to make a living at it he's considered pro?

Some of the tournaments around me say "no road players or pro's". Unless there a known local or played league recently who the hell knows what they are.
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According to Fargo FAQ, where they broke this down, 800 is considered top world-class. Fewer than 20 players worldwide have ratings that exceed 800.
700 is a top regional player in the US, less than 300 at this level in the US. In my local ABCD handicap tournaments, this would Open or Pro.
 
easy-e said:
Jacob is definitely not a pro. He's a very good player, but I would question someone's definition of a "pro" if they thought he was.
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Since he won the US amateur championship, he gets a free spot in an upcoming Pro tournament. Not sure which one, and not sure he will take it. He certainly can't be considered Pro by anyone on azbilliards. I recall a recent thread bashing players under 720 entering a pro tournament... Saying they are just there to donate and shouldn't be playing with the pros.
 
buckshotshoey said:
Since he won the US amateur championship, he gets a free spot in an upcoming Pro tournament. Not sure which one, and not sure he will take it. He certainly can't be considered Pro by anyone on azbilliards. I recall a recent thread bashing players under 720 entering a pro tournament... Saying they are just there to donate and shouldn't be playing with the pros.
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Agreed. I love entering pro tournaments. It's always a good time and I've even won a few matches against those guys. If the tournament is close and the entry fee isn't too high I'll keep playing them.
 
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