2024 World 8 Ball Championship (2-8 Sep), New Zealand , Winner $75K

albin too came out better. josh looks like a complete fool, BUT i prefer those non-filtered "speak your mind" posts to the PR trained players.

i think filler would do well in not checking his social media at all for this tournament. advantage wojciech, mario, who already have better breaks..
Like I said, these guys are not politicians. Or brain surgeons for that matter. They’re been playing pool most of the time since their teens and have been scrounging for money in a non-lucractive sport. Few strike me as savvy or worldly (in a non travel way).

Many are quite naturally smart, mind you, but it seems the most thoughtful ones are not surprisingly the older ones who‘ve had to broaden out their lives
 
Filler has always seemed truthful, even when it did not make him look good. As his statement showed. No reason for me to think he lied about Predator.

That said, Albin seemed to imply something different. Who knows what is really going on …
Why doesn't his statement make him look good? He stated the facts and outlined his decision making at the time. I think it is quite rational what he did, but then again everyone has their own opinion.

Filler couldn't have said it any better:
I’m glad everyone out there knows better about my decisions, thoughts and contracts than myself!

Anyway, I still want someone to explain why it's okay to play the US Open, which is a WPA sanctioned Matchroom Event and NOT to play in the World 8 ball championship which is a WPA sanctioned Predator event. Talk about hypocrisy.
 
Why doesn't his statement make him look good? He stated the facts and outlined his decision making at the time. I think it is quite rational what he did, but then again everyone has their own opinion.

Filler couldn't have said it any better:
I’m glad everyone out there knows better about my decisions, thoughts and contracts than myself!

Anyway, I still want someone to explain why it's okay to play the US Open, which is a WPA sanctioned Matchroom Event and NOT to play in the World 8 ball championship which is a WPA sanctioned Predator event. Talk about hypocrisy.
AFAIK WNT/MR has issued no bans to any players. The WPA and their bootlicking asswipe associate members are the one's doing all the banning/blocking. The US Open was a WPA sanctioned event before MR ever took it over.
 
AFAIK WNT/MR has issued no bans to any players. The WPA and their bootlicking asswipe associate members are the one's doing all the banning/blocking. The US Open was a WPA sanctioned event before MR ever took it over.
I thought the "solidarity" was to boycott all WPA sanctioned events. I don't think Predator ever banned a pool player. In fact, Yapp was allowed to play in Predator events under a white flag.

Totally agree that the Asian Federation blanket ban is ridiculous. If it was over a clash of dates, I could understand. However, the Asian Federation events the players would be banned from seem to be on the low scale. I believe they can still play in Matchroom and Predator events and be better off. I might be wrong since I am not an authority on pool.
 
I listened to it last week, but she always keeps WPA stuff close to the vest.
I believe that even with all the hoopla Matchroom would still prefer to have its events sanctioned by WPA. I am not sure why ... maybe it's because the events will have the oversight of a "governing" body making them more acceptable to governments???
 
Filler has always seemed truthful, even when it did not make him look good. As his statement showed. No reason for me to think he lied about Predator.

That said, Albin seemed to imply something different. Who knows what is really going on …

i know that going back a few years, albin had a very good sponsorship deal with little to worry about in terms of travel. also tables for his academy etc.

i don't think predator holds a gun to anyones head. they take well care of their players and expect reciprocity. but of course it's no coincidence that the majority of top players in this event are predator players
 
Why doesn't his statement make him look good? He stated the facts and outlined his decision making at the time. I think it is quite rational what he did, but then again everyone has their own opinion.

the european and american players are not risking much as it stands now, it's the asian players that do. so when you go out and say you stand in solidarity with them, to force the hand of ACBS / WPA to not ban them, and then break that stance within a month - with the argument "i really want this trophy" - it doesn't look too good.
 
the european and american players are not risking much as it stands now, it's the asian players that do. so when you go out and say you stand in solidarity with them, to force the hand of ACBS / WPA to not ban them, and then break that stance within a month - with the argument "i really want this trophy" - it doesn't look too good.
Again, the US Open IS a WPA sanctioned event, why that doesn't count for solidarity?? It's all BS arguments.
 
It’s all "BS arguments’ is generally never a good or adequate answer to anything imo. The players were trying to show some solidarity and they came up with an idea after a brief meeting in the middle of a major tournament. it shows. They did not think thru what really is a WPA event, given all the parties involved (MR, Predator, WPA, ACBS). Some confusion was inevitable.

I am not surprised all the players weren’t exactly sure what they were agreeing to and what the consequences could be regarding their sponsors.
 
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It’s all "BS arguments’ is generally never a good or adequate answer to anything imo. The players were trying to show some solidarity and they came up with an idea after a brief meeting in the middle of a major tournament. it shows. They did not think thru what really is a WPA event, given all the parties involved (MR, Predator, WPA, ACBS). Some confusion was inevitable.

I am not surprised all the players weren’t exactly sure what they were agreeing to and what the consequences could be regarding their sponsors.
imo you're giving Filler-n-co. a pass here. He made a statement of intent and clearly reversed course out of self interest. Never have liked this little tool sac and now i have even less regard for him.
 
I'm siding with the WPA.

Matchroom are only interested in making money.

The WPA is non-profit and want to promote pool all around the world.

the traditional gripe with the wpa is they spend more money on first class airfare, fine dining, and drug testing than anything to do with pool. in 30 years they accomplished little for the sport compared to what matchroom has done in just a few years.

but as you note matchroom is a business and in 10 years who knows what will exist.
 
imo you're giving Filler-n-co. a pass here. He made a statement of intent and clearly reversed course out of self interest. Never have liked this little tool sac and now i have even less regard for him.
And the great Shylock wanted his pound of flesh because he had a contract 😆 Albin and Josh clearly elaborated that they made a mistake in signing the prepared statement. Maybe Americans don't make mistakes, but people in the rest of the world do and readily admit it.
 
Again, the US Open IS a WPA sanctioned event, why that doesn't count for solidarity?? It's all BS arguments.
Matchroom didn’t sanction the US Open with the WPA. The WPA extended an olive branch and announced it would be “treated as sanctioned”. Matchroom made their own announcement clarifying that as far as they are concerned their events (Except the World Championship) are solely sanctioned with the PRA and not the WPA.
 
imo you're giving Filler-n-co. a pass here. He made a statement of intent and clearly reversed course out of self interest. Never have liked this little tool sac and now i have even less regard for him.
You are correct. I am giving Filler a pass. For now. I want to see what happens going forward before judging harshly.

The players have never been united historically. They’ve always been at the mercy of promotors (some quite shady) and national and world federations. The federations have acted both good and bad over time.

Now, for the first time ever, the players have some leverage. It’s no longer, it seems, the law of the jungle and every player looking only after themselves. For once they have a chance to exercise power in numbers, just like athletes in, say, the NBA, MLB or NFL.

Every collective bargaining body has had growing pains over time. This is all new for the players and the sport. None of the players have ever been involved in any remotely like what they are trying to do now.

I get it that others are less forgiving. Most of us are older and wiser. Cynical too.

Perhaps I am thinking the way I do because I have young adult children making mistakes. Things I thought they should know, they don’t. I just want to see them learn from their mistakes and become better people.

Same for the pool players, especially the young ones. If it were Niels Feijin, SVB, Soquet or Mika immonen doing what Filler has done, I would judge more harshly.
 
Matchroom didn’t sanction the US Open with the WPA. The WPA extended an olive branch and announced it would be “treated as sanctioned”. Matchroom made their own announcement clarifying that as far as they are concerned their events (Except the World Championship) are solely sanctioned with the PRA and not the WPA.
Okay, good point if you are correct. I didn't know that. I thought it was a WPA sanctioned event.
 
Okay, good point if you are correct. I didn't know that. I thought it was a WPA sanctioned event.
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At the time it was interesting to see the Spanish Open and Hanoi Open were not on the list. Since then the Spanish Open was cancelled (probably a WPA win) and the Hanoi Open is a looming linchpin event for the politics involved.
 
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At the time it was interesting to see the Spanish Open and Hanoi Open were not on the list. Since then the Spanish Open was cancelled (probably a WPA win) and the Hanoi Open is a looming linchpin event for the politics involved.
Thanks. Why doesn't the WPA treat the Hanoi Open as sanctioned? Is there a turf war for Vietnam? I remember listening to a Podcast where the WPA president said that Matchroom was forced to change the name from Vietnam Open to Hanoi Open because apparently WPA has the right on country's names?? I could be wrong in my recollection.
 
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Thanks. Why doesn't the WPA treat the Hanoi Open as sanctioned? Is there a turf war for Vietnam? I remember listening to a Podcast where the WPA president said that Matchroom was forced to change the name from Vietnam Open to Hanoi Open because apparently WPA has the right on country's names?? I could be wrong in my recollection.
Keep in mind the WPA is comprised of continental members:
ACBS (Asia), BCA (North America), EPBF (Europe), CPB (Latin America), OPBA (Oceania), AAPA (Africa).

The WPA pretty much only makes decisions via those members voting. And generally speaking they have an agreement amongst each other to give each continental member deference over what happens in their territory and what happens with players from that territory.

So you can assume the ACBS insisted in not letting the Hanoi Open be treated sanctioned. Of all the members, it is the newest (replacing the APBU in 2022) and it is the heaviest handed (Singapore ban of 2023, Vietnam ban of 2024, etc.). They want to be the exclusive authority on who is allowed to put on events in Asia. Skip them and they come down hard. It feels to me like the leaders from Qatar have the most influence and the most interest in controlling the sport over there.

The Hanoi Open was originally called the Asian Open but the ACBS called dibs on the word “Asian”
 
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