3 Foul Rule Eliminated

nfty9er said:
First how can you hook someone behind the 8 ball, your shooting the 8.
Second if he is on 2 fouls then you had ball in hand on your previous shot, why in heavens name would you try to hook anyone. Your out in that scenario. What were you thinking?
I know it was a trick question.
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My mistake, I meant to say that you would hook him behind the 9.

Here are some scenarios I could envision:
a) Your opponent is on two and the 8 and 9 are frozen together on the end rail with no out. In this situation with BIH, I would most likely try to thin the 8 ball and hide the cueball on the end raill on the other side of the 9. Opponent either misses the hit or intentionally scratches resulting in a re-rack.
b) Your opponent is on two and the 8 and 9 are frozen together on the end rail with no out. With BIH, you thin the 8 ball and run the cue ball uptable to the other end rail. You opponent can see the 8 ball but does not have a good shot so he intentionally misses the hit resulting in a re-rack.

I'm sure there are other scenarios that are possible as well...
 
I've just played in a USPPA tournament yesterday and at one point I was on 2 fouls and I reminded my opponent that there is no 3 foul rule anymore, so instead of another safety he just tried to runout and failed.

Not having a 3 foul rule can make my game more offensive. But it can also slow down the match if you 3 fouled and play an extra game.

I'm interested on how this going to affect matches and on how people play.
 
I've been slacking on my pool playing and still haven't played in a USPPA tourney since this rule was changed, but it looks like it was adjusted again.

Now the USPPA site says, "Effective immediately, the 3 foul rule is officially suspended. It will no longer result in loss of game. In those cases where both players are on 2 fouls, after the 3rd foul a new game is started and the incoming player will have the break. An X will be marked for the breaking player."

I put the newer part of the change in bold. Have any of the USPPA players here noticed if this has helped to speed things up somewhat?
 
Hey Cuebacca, why don't you go play pool instead of sitting in front of the computer reading the forums!!! yes, the rule speeds up play, but I'd rather still have the three foul rule to use when I have to give 3 games in a race to 5.
 
ABall said:
Hey Cuebacca, why don't you go play pool instead of sitting in front of the computer reading the forums!!! yes, the rule speeds up play, but I'd rather still have the three foul rule to use when I have to give 3 games in a race to 5.
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ROFLMAO! :p That's a good point. I made the mistake of taking on a woodworking project that I wasn't prepared for -- stripping, sanding, & staining one of those old-school white Gold Crowns. So my pool time has been spent on that, and on procrastinating on that. I've only played about 3 times since the Reno event in June. :( Hopefully I'll get the table done soon and still have time to qualify for December. ;)

Dang, 3 games in a race to 5... you must shoot them pretty straight! :)
 
Cuebacca said:
ROFLMAO! That's a good point. I made the mistake of taking on a woodworking project that I wasn't prepared for -- stripping, sanding, & staining one of those old-school white Gold Crowns. So my pool time has been spent on that, and on procrastinating on that. I've only played about 3 times since the Reno event in June. Hopefully I'll get the table done soon and still have time to qualify for December.

Dang, 3 games in a race to 5... you must shoot them pretty straight!
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Oh, my goodness, I should have looked before I lept. :D I have my Avatars turned off. You know my plight well. What's up Al? LOL.
 
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Since both players have to have 2 fouls, the incoming player will get bih unless he also has 2 fouls. Seems OK in that perspective, because it means the other player didn't play an intentional safe.




Cuebacca said:
I've been slacking on my pool playing and still haven't played in a USPPA tourney since this rule was changed, but it looks like it was adjusted again.

Now the USPPA site says, "Effective immediately, the 3 foul rule is officially suspended. It will no longer result in loss of game. In those cases where both players are on 2 fouls, after the 3rd foul a new game is started and the incoming player will have the break. An X will be marked for the breaking player."

I put the newer part of the change in bold. Have any of the USPPA players here noticed if this has helped to speed things up somewhat?
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why pushout failed

The USPPA is making an attempt to not speed up the games but to make a more even playing field.
1. The weaker player gets a handicap because he does not have equal skills or knowledge.

2.The weaker players most obvious shortcoming is their lack of knowledge of english, stroke, and angles.

3.When you intentionally snooker the weaker player it is more than unsportsman like, it is taking the easy way out.

One possibility is having to call every shot but that is a different game than 9 ball as we know it.

Talk to any old player and they will tell you the best way to play 9 ball is pushout. If your opponent misses and it is the beginning of your inning you have the option to take the shot or make your opponent shoot again.

If during the game you snooker yourself you can pushout ( move the cue ball anywhere on the table and when it comes to rest your opponent has the chance to take the shot or make you shoot again).

Here is why that game did not survive!!!!!

The weaker players never figured out that if the better player hooked himself he would push out to a shot he could probably make but the weaker player could not.

The weaker [players always told the better players go ahead because they could not make the shot.

If the weaker players had taken the shot and played a safety chances are they might still win that game.

End result THE BETTER PLAYERS GAME WOULD IMPROVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE UP THE WEIGHT AND THE WEAKER PLAYER WOULD IMPROVE AS TO NOT NEED SO MUCH WEIGHT.

HOW DO YOU GET TO CARNEGIE HALL?????PRACTICE,PRACTICE,PRACTICE !!!!

Better players too quickly forget what it was like when they were learning. The faster the weaker players get more proficient the faster the action will develop.Don't discourage the weaker player by fouling him out. Encourage them to improve by showing and improving your game.
 
3 foul rule

I'm Apart of the room that started the no three foul rule a month before the last Reno tourney ..It was started becouse of the amont of juniors playing in the room getting frustated because the the kept getting fouled out.My son stoped playing because he got frustrated with the three foul rule.When the owner announced the new rule no one complained.when I talked to Annigoni about it he had no problems with it and waited till after Reno to announce it..You guys are right it may be slighted to the weaker player but that's okay the stronger player should be made be to run out and use safety play as a option to continue a run out ..
 
You guys make a great point about eliminating the 3-foul to even up the playing field.

I use the 3 foul rule occasionally when the balls lay right and I'm not feeling comfortable with my offensive prospects. When playing a much weaker player, I do think about the fact that it would be a "good strategy" to constantly try to foul them out. I didn't take that approach though, because I would have felt "cheap" about it, and would probably get bored with it.

I don't think I would fault someone for doing that though, or consider it to be unsportsman-like, or even cheap. I picture this scenario: A 'D' player misses the 1 and randomly slops in the 9, in the first game against an 'A' player. The 'A' player was giving the 'D' player 3 games on the wire in a race to 5, so suddenly the 'A' player needs to win the rest of the games 5-0 to win the match.

I wouldn't fault the 'A' player for trying to foul out the 'D' player multiple times to come back. Its better to change the rules the way they did, instead of putting a moral duty on the players to avoid using defensive tactics to win. The rules aren't set in stone, so why make a rule and then expect someone not to use it? Just change the stinkin' rule. :D

If this rule change tips the advantage away from the stronger player a bit, then it should work itself out as the players' averages adjust after enough score sheets have been scored.

That's Cuebacca's take on it anyway. :p
 
titanic said:
The USPPA is making an attempt to not speed up the games but to make a more even playing field.
1. The weaker player gets a handicap because he does not have equal skills or knowledge.

2.The weaker players most obvious shortcoming is their lack of knowledge of english, stroke, and angles.

3.When you intentionally snooker the weaker player it is more than unsportsman like, it is taking the easy way out.

One possibility is having to call every shot but that is a different game than 9 ball as we know it.

Talk to any old player and they will tell you the best way to play 9 ball is pushout. If your opponent misses and it is the beginning of your inning you have the option to take the shot or make your opponent shoot again.

If during the game you snooker yourself you can pushout ( move the cue ball anywhere on the table and when it comes to rest your opponent has the chance to take the shot or make you shoot again).

Here is why that game did not survive!!!!!

The weaker players never figured out that if the better player hooked himself he would push out to a shot he could probably make but the weaker player could not.

The weaker [players always told the better players go ahead because they could not make the shot.

If the weaker players had taken the shot and played a safety chances are they might still win that game.

End result THE BETTER PLAYERS GAME WOULD IMPROVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE UP THE WEIGHT AND THE WEAKER PLAYER WOULD IMPROVE AS TO NOT NEED SO MUCH WEIGHT.

HOW DO YOU GET TO CARNEGIE HALL?????PRACTICE,PRACTICE,PRACTICE !!!!

Better players too quickly forget what it was like when they were learning. The faster the weaker players get more proficient the faster the action will develop.Don't discourage the weaker player by fouling him out. Encourage them to improve by showing and improving your game.
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Isn't nice to have organizations fix it where weaker players don't have to use their brains to win?
 
call nine

Snapshot9 said:
Isn't nice to have organizations fix it where weaker players don't have to use their brains to win?
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Well then change to call nine,weaker players shouldn't win by luck either...
 
karambolista said:
from the USPPA website:

Effective immediately, the 3 foul rule is officially suspended. It will no longer result in loss of game. After the 3rd foul a new game is started and the incoming player will have the break. An X will be marked for the breaking player.

Is this a first or are there other pool organization that has taken out the 3 foul rule on 9-ball
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You quoted a little incompletely...

"...In those cases where both players are on 2 fouls, after the 3rd foul a new game is started and the incoming player will have the break..."

I'd love it if the 3 foul rule became history. There has to be a better way to keep people from stalling forever.
 
catscradle said:
You quoted a little incompletely...

"...In those cases where both players are on 2 fouls, after the 3rd foul a new game is started and the incoming player will have the break..."

I'd love it if the 3 foul rule became history. There has to be a better way to keep people from stalling forever.
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Hi Cats, Karombolista had it right at the time. The rule has now been changed a second time, where they added the condition that both players must be on two.
 
Cuebacca said:
Hi Cats, Karombolista had it right at the time. The rule has now been changed a second time, where they added the condition that both players must be on two.
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Maybe it's too early in the morning and I'm not thinking very clearly, but how could you ever get to situation in 9 ball where both players were on two fouls?

I retract my question 30 seconds after posting it. It is too early!
 
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Stalemate

GADawg said:
Maybe it's too early in the morning and I'm not thinking very clearly, but how could you ever get to situation in 9 ball where both players were on two fouls?
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It's very unlikely it would ever happen,But let's say you brake the balls and the lowest numbered ball hangs in the jaws of a pocket and a higher numbered ball stopped in front of it..After the push no one might want to shoot..
 
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