314-2 or Z-2?

I converted to Predator shafts when I started playing pool again about a year ago. Chose Predator over OB-1 mostly since I live here in Jacksonville (Predator headquarters) and there are a lot of them around.

I chose the Z2 after briefly trying both the 314-2 and the Z2. I made my choice at the time for two primary reasons - I actually like a more conical taper and stiffer hit, and my original Schon shafts were about 12.1, so the Z2 was closer in size to what I was used to. The 314 just felt too big to me.

I don't buy the argument about being more precise, or getting more spin with the Z2, etc. Several times now I've borrowed a 314-2 and shot with it for an entire evening, or switched back and forth every 30 minutes or so, and I can shoot the same shots with both shafts no problem, even extreme draw/follow or spin shots. The Z2 does give you the impression that you are aiming in a more pinpoint way because of the diameter of the shaft, but after all it is only 1mm difference, and about 8% of the total diameter.

The biggest difference I found, which I didn't expect, is that the Z2 has a fair amount less deflection than the 314-2. As a comparison, I would say I get almost a full ball deflection (2") with my Schon shafts on a firm, full table shot with 2 tips sidespin, maybe 1" or so with the 314-2, and maybe 1/2" with the Z2. That half inch will screw you up if you just grab a Z2 after being used to the 314-2. Which probably explains why people converting from a normal shaft or a 314-2 think the Z2 shaft spins too much or you have to be more precise, simply because they are missing shots they are used to making. I had the advantage of not playing for 5 years, so while I was rebuilding my game and relearning things, it was much easier to recalibrate my adjustments for deflection, swerve, etc. than it probably would have been switching straight from my Schon shaft.

Bottom line, go with the diameter that suits you the best, you will just have to put the time in to adjust to the shaft no matter what until they make a shaft with zero deflection. Even then you will have to adjust for curve on slower spin shots etc.

Scott
 
JoeyA, Johnnyz86, scottjen26, thank you, thats what i was looking for good well thought out replies on what i needed to know, everyone had great advice on this subject, but i think i just need to back off a little, im getting cue happy, 314-2 will be a hell of a step up from anything i was using in the past. Maybe i need to just use that until i get my game into the area where i will notice the slight differences that the Z-2 produces, thanks for everything guys, this is a great forum i am glad i joined, and got advice before i made my order.

Thanks again,
Dustin
 
is that list of equipment in your signature really what you use?

if you're going to get a predator sneaky why not buy one here on az. sure it'd be used but i think (to me at least) that the discount would be worth it. i'd for sure go with the 314 not the z shaft though. the z shaft is really thin and unless you're stroke is real good i think it'd be easy to lose control with it

Yep that list in my signature under current is what i use now and i ran a few 8-ball racks with it last night actually cant wait for my new predator to get here, just waiting because my order got screwed up
 
The difference in playability of 314-2 and Z-2 is more psychological than physical, despite the 1mm diameter difference. 314-2 will punish you for bad stroke, i.e. too much unintentional spin just as bad as Z-2.
We are humans after all, not machines, and I understand why many feel more confident shooting with a 12.75mm vs 11.75mm.
As for me, I just didn't feel that extra security when shooting with 314-2, so I stayed with Z-2.
 
I converted to Predator shafts when I started playing pool again about a year ago. Chose Predator over OB-1 mostly since I live here in Jacksonville (Predator headquarters) and there are a lot of them around.

I chose the Z2 after briefly trying both the 314-2 and the Z2. I made my choice at the time for two primary reasons - I actually like a more conical taper and stiffer hit, and my original Schon shafts were about 12.1, so the Z2 was closer in size to what I was used to. The 314 just felt too big to me.

I don't buy the argument about being more precise, or getting more spin with the Z2, etc. Several times now I've borrowed a 314-2 and shot with it for an entire evening, or switched back and forth every 30 minutes or so, and I can shoot the same shots with both shafts no problem, even extreme draw/follow or spin shots. The Z2 does give you the impression that you are aiming in a more pinpoint way because of the diameter of the shaft, but after all it is only 1mm difference, and about 8% of the total diameter.

The biggest difference I found, which I didn't expect, is that the Z2 has a fair amount less deflection than the 314-2. As a comparison, I would say I get almost a full ball deflection (2") with my Schon shafts on a firm, full table shot with 2 tips sidespin, maybe 1" or so with the 314-2, and maybe 1/2" with the Z2. That half inch will screw you up if you just grab a Z2 after being used to the 314-2. Which probably explains why people converting from a normal shaft or a 314-2 think the Z2 shaft spins too much or you have to be more precise, simply because they are missing shots they are used to making. I had the advantage of not playing for 5 years, so while I was rebuilding my game and relearning things, it was much easier to recalibrate my adjustments for deflection, swerve, etc. than it probably would have been switching straight from my Schon shaft.

Bottom line, go with the diameter that suits you the best, you will just have to put the time in to adjust to the shaft no matter what until they make a shaft with zero deflection. Even then you will have to adjust for curve on slower spin shots etc.

Scott


I like your post, a lot, especially the last paragraph.
JoeyA
 
I too believe there is a noticeable differnece in deflection and that is borne out in the testing done here.... http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php

Besides causing less cb squirt that any other shaft known, I like the Z2 because as I'm aiming I can see more of the cb than I can with a larger tip. Being able to see more accurately where the tip hits the cb makes tip placement more precise. Just as PJ argues with his reasoning for using a 10mm tip.
 
Yeah i really enjoyed that one too, very well written, and good advice.


Thanks guys, appreciate it! I just had my Z2 in for service, and played alternately with a 314-2 loaner and my old Schon shaft. Got the Z2 back this weekend and played for an hour, was so nice. Not saying I couldn't get used to other shafts again, but for me the Z2 just works and fits my game.

Good luck Dustin, I'm sure you will enjoy your new shaft as well!
Scott
 
Thanks guys, appreciate it! I just had my Z2 in for service, and played alternately with a 314-2 loaner and my old Schon shaft. Got the Z2 back this weekend and played for an hour, was so nice. Not saying I couldn't get used to other shafts again, but for me the Z2 just works and fits my game.

Good luck Dustin, I'm sure you will enjoy your new shaft as well!
Scott

Thank you im sure i will, i dont think either will be a bad choice, going to try and find a couple different shafts to shoot around with down at the hall.
 
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