314 performance with different butts?
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Are you sure there aren't some differences between the cues that cause you to shoot slightly differently, perhaps due to a different wrap (looser/tighter grip) or other factors? The harder you hit, the more squirt generally. Or perhaps a change in grip is causing your tip position to change slightly, altering the english versus what you perceive.
I've played with 314 shafts on a gazillion cues and never had to adjust for different levels of squirt.
I've played with 314 shafts on a gazillion cues and never had to adjust for different levels of squirt.
I need to dig through some old material before I can give you a definite answer. I do remember reading somewhere that a "stiffer" butt would produce more deflection. I think they say a P2 actually deflects more than a regular Predator cue because the butt is "stiffer" but I could be totally off base here.
I have also read that a softer joint would produce lesser deflection. But again, I need to double check.
Rocky, where are you?
Richard
I have also read that a softer joint would produce lesser deflection. But again, I need to double check.
Rocky, where are you?
Richard
steel joints deflect more. fact.
i have done tons of experimenting with this.
i am a HUGE 314 fan.
i deflect a half ball more when shooting a spot shot. maybe a hair more.
steel does not flex. thats why.
wood to wood cues have less.
chris G
i have done tons of experimenting with this.
i am a HUGE 314 fan.
i deflect a half ball more when shooting a spot shot. maybe a hair more.
steel does not flex. thats why.
wood to wood cues have less.
chris G
bogey54311 said:
I think I have read something about the steel joint deflecting more. And I think it makes sense, although I do need to do some readings first before I can really comment on this topic.
But then how do you explain that this company, which whole marketing statement is to offer the lowest deflection to its customers, would choose steel joint on almost all its models?
They use steel joint on their high end models, and then non steel joints on their low ends. I cannot understand this.
Richard
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i dont get it either.
when they first starting making the 314, they had a normal long ferrule.
the knew that the shorter and softer the ferrule, the lower the deflection.
BUT, they were afraid to be the first guys with a "strange" short and stubby ferrule.
ive played with all the models predator has. IMO, the sneaky pete with a wood to wood joint has the lowest deflection.
thats why i own one.
chris G
when they first starting making the 314, they had a normal long ferrule.
the knew that the shorter and softer the ferrule, the lower the deflection.
BUT, they were afraid to be the first guys with a "strange" short and stubby ferrule.
ive played with all the models predator has. IMO, the sneaky pete with a wood to wood joint has the lowest deflection.
thats why i own one.
chris G
bogey54311 said:
And I also cannot understand why they had to toy with the number of laminations. What does that have to do with deflection, or radial consistency?
May be it was a cost/production consideration?
I remember those long ferrules, but I cannot remember if they were made with the same material that melts and cracks easily like what they are using now. I think it was a different material.
If Predator wants to offer its customers a cue with the least amount of deflection, why do they pick metal joint out of all the joints that are available on the market now?
May be they think metal joint actually deflects less than any other joint? Or may be the joint makes no difference?
Richard
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That sounds ridiculous to me.nipponbilliards said:I need to dig through some old material before I can give you a definite answer. I do remember reading somewhere that a "stiffer" butt would produce more deflection. I think they say a P2 actually deflects more than a regular Predator cue because the butt is "stiffer" but I could be totally off base here.
I have also read that a softer joint would produce lesser deflection. But again, I need to double check.
Rocky, where are you?
Richard
If that were the case, Meucci will outsell everyone.
JoeyInCali said:That sounds ridiculous to me.
If that were the case, Meucci will outsell everyone.
Joey,
I am not kidding, I am almost certain there was a test showing Meucci with a 314 shaft deflects less than a predator with a 314, and a P2 with a 314 deflects more than any predator with 314.
I just cannot find the source now. It is driving me crazy.
But then again, this might be a test conducted by Meucci.
that I have read somewhere in the past.What do you think? Any direct relationship between joint type and squirt?
Well, if it's Bob's robot which HE was the only one controlling, it has no merit.nipponbilliards said:Joey,
I am not kidding, I am almost certain there was a test showing Meucci with a 314 shaft deflects less than a predator with a 314, and a P2 with a 314 deflects more than any predator with 314.
I just cannot find the source now. It is driving me crazy.
But then again, this might be a test conducted by Meucci.
What do you think? Any direct relationship between joint type and squirt?
An SS collar vs plastic? I think the SS would show more squirt b/c the cueball would be faster/getting hit harder with an ss collared cue vs. the plastic collared cue with the same stroke.
