314 seems to deflect normally

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Cue of Fury said:
You know what, you are not even worth the effort but I will post some informative links for you since that might help you to not be such a fool. Enjoy. ;)
http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/throw.htm
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This is the only one that matters and maybe you need to read it through and not make a fool of yourself. It's saying EXACTLY what I said...that spin creates throw and shots can be and WILL be missed if you don't compensate for the throw, whether on combination shots as illustrated, or CB to OB.
Again, what's the big selling point of a Predator? You get less deflection and MORE SPIN when using english, and the fact is, I agree with that. I found much more spin as well as more spin with less tip offset and less force with my Predator. MORE SPIN = MORE THROW. A calculation that MUST be made. You have to make a calculation somewhere, either on the deflection end or the spin end for throw if you're using english. A center or vertical axis hit with ANY shaft should make no difference whatsoever. Therefore accuracy should not be an issue in comparisons with vertical axis strikes. Is this not registering on your pea brain or are you just blinded by the lower deflection claims? (And it really isn't that much lower as shown by tests)
 
What I have said in other threads is that since it is a fact that you can get the SAME amount of spin by hitting LESS off-center on the CB that it helps lessen the chance of stroke-flaws and mis cues. As you have been saying, more spin = more throw which I am not arguing against, I think you misunderstood that. What I am saying is that you can get more maximum spin, but you don't always need that. By staying closer to center ball you reduce the chance for mistakes to happen. Non-pro players have a tough enough time with other aspects of pool without having to worry about and compensate for stroke-flaws and miscues. I know for me, when I am forced to hit the CB harder the chances increase that I strike the CB somewhere other than where I intended. The Predator allows me to be able to use less speed to get the same CB movement. That in itself is a big selling point and worth it IMO.
 
A good maple shaft is good enough for most players imo.
That review is a joke imo.
Red Dot has less deflection than a Mezz shaft?
 
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Cue of Fury said:
Oh, and did you see this? Not sure if you have but I will throw it up here.
http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php
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As usual, you're way behind the times and I'm way ahead of you. I introduced this website to the forum on 4-22-04, entitled TEST RESULTS, which is currently on Page 11. The other areas where you're behind are, you purchased a Predator shaft no more than a few weeks ago and have been playing with it for all that length of time. I had a Predator 3 years ago and played with it for over a year and now know ALL of the positives and Negatives. (yes...there are both) It's just after you've played with it long enough and can weigh everything out, you know what's important and what's not. See me in a year and we'll compare notes, until then you're just a Predator newbie that's all enthralled with your new purchase and at this point it doesn't mean Jack Shit.
 
LastTwo said:
I think he's saying that he didn't have to adjust his aim to compensate for the squirt.
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Exactly what I was thinking!

Predators are not for everyone...personally I love mine! Last night I played two sets of 10 with someone after I got off work. Well, i didn't have my cue, so I used a friends Lucasi...WOW, what a difference. I couldn't get shape, couldn't draw, nothing...BUT I still beat the guy 10-3, and then he won 10-9...
 
I don't know what you are talking about with that first comment so I will just ignore it. You totally failed to address my earlier post and rather you elected to just continue your little diatribe. Sorry if I usually don't hang around on page 11 of the forum. Everything else you stated was merely opinionated rantings so I don't know what else to tell you drivermaker. Overall it sounds like you need an attitude adjustment, much like a lot of others around here. You come on here and take these condescending tones in your posts and otherwise subtley try to insult other posters. What does it accomplish, huh? As you said, Jack Shit.
 
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Cue of Fury said:
I don't know what you are talking about with that first comment so I will just ignore it. Sorry if I usually don't hang around on page 11 of the forum. Everything else you stated was merely opinionated rantings so I don't know what else to tell you drivermaker. Overall it sounds like you need an attitude adjustment, much like a lot of others around here. You come on here and take these condescending tones in your posts and otherwise subtley try to insult other posters. What does it accomplish, huh? As you said, Jack Shit.
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You wouldn't have to hang around on page 11 if you got your head out of your butt and stayed awake for what was happening on a day to day basis. I don't try to insult other posters, only jackasses like you. If your memory needs refreshed, just go back on this thread and see who started the name calling and insults with the "fool" remarks, you flamer. So, what did that accomplish and who really needs the attitude adjustment, big mouth?
 
Hey ignoramus, if you pulled your head out of your butt for a minute you would realize that my original post where I said "fool" was not directed at anyone in particular. For some reason though it seemed to have lit your flame so I must wonder why, hmmm. Do you think you are a fool and felt the need to reply? Food for thought.......

Anyway, I found a post from Sid at Seybert's which might be of some actual use to this site unlike drivermaker's recent attempts.

"It is basically less deflection with a smaller diameter. The main reasoning behind the Predator research is the less weight at the end of the shaft, the less deflection of the cue ball. That is why the end of the Predator shafts are hollow on the end of the shaft. The less weight at the end of the shaft enables the shaft to get out of the way of the cue ball easier so the shaft does not deflect the cue ball as much. The smaller diameter decreases the weight at the end of the shaft so therefor it will deflect less.
If you want to drive yourself crazy for a little bit, tape a coin or other weight on the ferrule and try some shots. It will deflect considerably more. I was in Vegas a couple of years ago and was hanging around the Predator booth with neil and shane goofing off on the table. Shane pulled out a Predator shaft that they had actually weighted internally with something in the end. Shooting with that shaft was really a hoot. It was very strange how shooting a normal shot with english you could miss the pocket by such a large margin. It was really eye opening." -Sid
 
Cue of Fury said:
My 314 has less deflection than my stock Fury shaft. One test I did was to shoot the cue ball straight into a rail from varying distances, pausing on the follow-through, and seeing if I could get the cue ball to rebound straight back into the tip of the cue. The 314 shaft allows me to do this nearly twice as often as the Fury shaft. The longer the shot the bigger the difference.
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I think you are a little to eager to say the predator is the best shaft ever. Any straight shaft would pass that test with flying colors. That test only matters on the stroke. If you can't pass that test 9/10, you shouldn't be shooting with a predator...you shouldn't even be shooting with a fury shaft. You should be using a house cue and spending your money on felt fees and instruction to GET A STRAIGHT STROKE. I would make sure you can shoot straight and with center ball consistently before you start messing with english and follow/draw.

When you hit the ball center ball with a level cue, there better not be ANY deflection....deflection is only encountered when you apply english. You can't use english on your test because english would change the rebounding angle of the cue ball....

IMHO you just WANT the predator to be better and as such you are finding results to say it is.



I shoot with a predator and like it. My game hasn't changed that much if any. I didn't need to relearn anything, but then again I am not running signifigantly more racks than I used to. Overall I am satisfied with my purchase though because I feel it has improved the hit of my cue, and I am now able to shoot more consistantly.
 
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That is not true, I think it is a better shaft than the one I was using. It is that simple. Did I say I had tried a dozen other shafts? No. Did I say anywhere that it was the best shaft ever? Again, no. You are inferring too much.
 
drivermaker said:
This is the only one that matters and maybe you need to read it through and not make a fool of yourself. It's saying EXACTLY what I said...that spin creates throw and shots can be and WILL be missed if you don't compensate for the throw, whether on combination shots as illustrated, or CB to OB.
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So it comes down to whether you feel that it is easier to compensate your aim for deflection/squirt or throw. I feel that it is easier to aim a little thicker or a little thinner to compensate for the throw rather than to aim somewhere else entirely for the deflection. Since one of the key points of the Predator is that that ball goes where you aim it, I would imagine that other people who like them find it easier to compensate the same way that I do. Doesn't mean it's better, it's just different.

Besides, instead of thinking about "more" spin from a Predator you should think about the total aim compensation that you have to make for a given amount of spin. If the Predator gives more spin for a 1-tip offset, why use that much? Use 2/3 of a tip or whatever.

What I would really like to see are the deflection numbers from a random sampling of 20 Predator shafts vs 20 other laminated shafts vs 20 plain maple shafts. I imagine that the laminated shafts would have less variation, which means that shafts are easily replaceable and all behave the same.
 
drivermaker said:
It's called THROW! And don't tell me that doesn't occur to a larger degree and you don't miss shots because you're all full of shit if you believe otherwise. You CAN't have all of this extra spin and NOT have extra throw! There still has to be an adjustment somewhere down the line, if less for deflection then more for throw.
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Nobody is telling you that what you say is wrong. That's the whole point to a Predator...if you put spin on it, all you have to do is compensate on the OB, while other cues you have to compensate for the OB, and the path the CB will take getting to the OB...
 
9balldiva said:
Nobody is telling you that what you say is wrong. That's the whole point to a Predator...if you put spin on it, all you have to do is compensate on the OB, while other cues you have to compensate for the OB, and the path the CB will take getting to the OB...
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Bingo.

You still have to compensate for squirt a *little* on certain shots.

But I still can't see how Predator would put more spin on the CB than a regular shaft with the same tip diameter/curvature.

-Roger
 
I think that it is due to the shaft itself deflecting downward upon striking the CB and allowing the tip to stay in contact longer, thus imparting more draw spin. Sound correct?
 
Cue of Fury said:
I think that it is due to the shaft itself deflecting downward upon striking the CB and allowing the tip to stay in contact longer, thus imparting more draw spin. Sound correct?
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Sorry, but I think that is totally wrong.
314's have light ends so that the TIP ITSELF deflects off the cueball BEFORE the cueball deflects off the tip.
So, 314's actually stay on the ball shorter ( in time) than regular shafts.
A quality shaft with a forward flex point and knowledge of backhand english would be enough for most players imo.
 
9balldiva said:
Nobody is telling you that what you say is wrong. That's the whole point to a Predator...if you put spin on it, all you have to do is compensate on the OB, while other cues you have to compensate for the OB, and the path the CB will take getting to the OB...
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This is where Hal Mix taught backhand english.
On a medium distance and on medium speed, just aim at it like it was a center ball shot.
 
I think any "A" player who doesn't at least give the Predator a try is cheating themselves out of a potential game improvement weapon.

I used to think Predator was all hype. A Jossswest I bought came with two standard shafts and a Predator. I tried it out and no question, the Predator is the most accurate shaft I've ever used (and I've used a lot) amazing. For power shots, there's simply no equal.

I see no reason to change - and I don't give a hoot about the science of it. To me, they are a blessing.

Chris
 
amen brother! they just work, period. If you somehow do not agree or do not like them, fine. Use something else if that floats your boat. Everyone makes their own choices. Just don't go around pretending like they are junk and that anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot because you're only fooling yourself. I like the 314, but that doesn't mean I go around saying anything else is crap. That is childish and only causes problems.
 
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