314 vs Z shaft

deadstroke7

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I am looking at purchasing a 314 or z shaft for my Viking. Does anyone have experience with the difference (which one is better). I know the diameter of the Z is smaller with a smaller ferrule. Anyone have a 314, get a Z shaft and have thoughts on it.

Thanks :p
 
deadstroke7 said:
I am looking at purchasing a 314 or z shaft for my Viking. Does anyone have experience with the difference (which one is better). I know the diameter of the Z is smaller with a smaller ferrule. Anyone have a 314, get a Z shaft and have thoughts on it.

Thanks :p

I did have a Z shaft...less deflection but so much ball spin I could not stand it. I shoot with a 314 all the time and love it, but that Z was just unreal. Now I gotta buddy of mine that all he plays with is a Z shaft, but he does not shoot with a 314.

Just my opinion...hope thats what you are looking for...

Shorty
 
While I don't play with a predator at all, I would say that your best bet would be to try them both out for yourself and see which you like more. I know that the 314 has a "pro taper" while the Z has a "conical taper". The conical taper can be somewhat uncomfortable to some people who are used to the pro. Also, the smaller the tip the more margin for error on each shot since your contacting a smaller area on the cue ball. If you don't have a good repeatable stroke this may be something you want to take into consideration.

Hope this helps if even a little.

Zeeder
 
Almost exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks. I have not shot with a preditor but did stroke a few cue balls with both a 314 and Z. I would guess I need to find someone to play a few games with their 314 or Z. When I do purchase one, it will have to be custom fit to my cue and I didn't want to do that without some thoughts. Someone also told me it would take a while to get used to the preditor? Does it take a while (months) or not (hours).

Thanks for the replys
 
deadstroke7 said:
Someone also told me it would take a while to get used to the preditor? Does it take a while (months) or not (hours).

Thanks for the replys

It depends on how quickly you adjust to deflection on any cue. Every cue will deflect slightly differently and this is what you'll have to adjust to. If you adjust to deflection quickly then it won't take any time at all, if you have problems adjusting to deflection, or the lack there of, then it may take a while. For some people, like Fred Agnir who tried it out for a year, they never adjust and end up going back to traditional shafts.
 
deadstroke7 said:
I am looking at purchasing a 314 or z shaft for my Viking. Does anyone have experience with the difference (which one is better). I know the diameter of the Z is smaller with a smaller ferrule. Anyone have a 314, get a Z shaft and have thoughts on it.

Thanks :p


I think you better ask yourself whether you can play consistently day in and day out with an 11.75 mm tip or not. If you think it's going to produce some kind of positive magic, your sadly mistaken. If you think you'll get used to it real quick, you're also sadly mistaken. More than likely, you'll shoot worse than you ever have for a lonnnng time, I don't care who makes the shaft.
 
drivermaker said:
I think you better ask yourself whether you can play consistently day in and day out with an 11.75 mm tip or not. If you think it's going to produce some kind of positive magic, your sadly mistaken. If you think you'll get used to it real quick, you're also sadly mistaken. More than likely, you'll shoot worse than you ever have for a lonnnng time, I don't care who makes the shaft.

Drivermaker,
I don't like the predator shafts, but did it actually screw your whole game up.
If you have trouble with a 11.75 tip, how can you be so sure you can compensate for squirt accurately. Unless you play entirely by feel, you should be able to figure out any shaft in about 2-3 days. After that, you have to start blaming yourself not the shaft.
 
5railkick said:
Drivermaker,
I don't like the predator shafts, but did it actually screw your whole game up.
If you have trouble with a 11.75 tip, how can you be so sure you can compensate for squirt accurately. Unless you play entirely by feel, you should be able to figure out any shaft in about 2-3 days. After that, you have to start blaming yourself not the shaft.


Yes, it actually screwed my whole game up...not or 2-3 days....not for a week or two...not for a few months...but for a full year.
And I ain't the only one that it's happened to.
Been playing for 44 years, I think I know what the hell I'm doing with a cue or any shaft by now...but it sure didn't work that way with a Predator. I have no explanation for it...it just didn't f*#king work!!
 
Good information. Why didn't the predator work? Too much spin, no control,?? Just curious.

The 11.75 mm tip is why I am hesitant about the Z shaft. I am not so sure I would like the taper as well. But I was wondering if I get the 314 if I will always wonder what if I had gotten the Z. Getting them both is not an option either.

Mostly wondering if anyone had a 314, went to the Z and loved or hated the move.
 
deadstroke7 said:
Good information. Why didn't the predator work? Too much spin, no control,?? Just curious.

The 11.75 mm tip is why I am hesitant about the Z shaft. I am not so sure I would like the taper as well. But I was wondering if I get the 314 if I will always wonder what if I had gotten the Z. Getting them both is not an option either.

Mostly wondering if anyone had a 314, went to the Z and loved or hated the move.


I think Shorty answered your last question.

Probably in my case it had to do with using backhand english. I use it a lot, therefore negating the deflection problem to begin with. It's well known that backhand and a predator don't go well together. I can't change the way I shoot after all those years for one damn shaft. It ain't worth it.
 
I used to be a snooker player for 5 years, switched to pool and played with a maple shaft for 1 year, then I've been playing with a Z for the past 1 year.

Like yourself, I was contemplating either a 314 or a Z, but I reasoned that mostly because I was still used to a snooker taper, I chose the Z. Also, I went on the predator website and I saw empirical evidence that the Z would have less deflection and compensation for my game, which overall means less variables for me so that I could be more accurate. Furthermore, I use English very often so not having to compensate based on feel would improve my shotmaking. The Z is also a very forgiving shaft, it gives you optimum spin, follow and draw even if your stroke isn't that refined.

That said, I'm am considering switching to the 314 because there are too many times where I've wished that my taper were thicker ---while I use an open bridge 95% of the time, sometimes I like to use the closed bridge for certain shots and it's very weird to do that with the Z cos you feel like you're threading a needle. Also, having a smaller tip means that you have to really be steadier in your stroke and my hands aren't the steadiest sometimes when the pots are long and hard. The 314 is already smaller than the average tip at 12.75, so it might be the best compromise. The 314 however, still doesn't minimize deflection as much as the Z does. I'm also trying to change my game such that I won't be too reliant on applying too much english, and I'm trying to hit center ball more often. Hence, you won't really need a shaft that gives you maximum english if you're mostly a center-ball player. Lastly, the Z is a whippy shaft, so forget getting a stiff hit you might get from Schons, Herceks, Szambotis and the like. I do have an implex joint though and this affects the feel of the hit somewhat.

Of course, don't forget that having a good tip will help you lots too...I use a Moori medium cos I'm mostly a 9 ball player.

I forgot to mention, when I made the transition, it took me a good 4 months of constant playing to get used to the Z....while I could make most straight shots, I was really having trouble with fine cut shots, bank shots, rail shots, and kick shots for the longest time, and even more so if I used english. If you're planning on taking part in a competition soon with a Z, my advice is to put it off a lil until you really get used to the nuances of the shaft.

So before you get the Z, ask yourself these questions:
Can you get used to the smaller taper?
Do you use a lot of English?
Do you want a stiff hit?
Can you afford the transition?

I hope I helped!
 
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First I've played 2 years with a standard maple shaft. Then 1 year with 314. Then some 9 months with the Z.

Z is stiff with smaller 11.75 tip, while 314 is whippy with standard 12.75mm. The hit is much more solid with the Z...no hollow feeling on centre ball strokes like 314. 11.75mm is sure less forgiving than 12.75mm, but frankly, if one cannot find proper center ball with an 11.75 diameter, he's not gonna be able to do that with 12.75 either.

I can understand if a player has been playing for decades with thick shafts he would find that Z a little odd to say the least. It all comes down to comfort, whether you like the feeling or not. There are no shafts out there that miss or make shots. It's all in our hands...or heads???

I also don't understand how could anyone have difficulties with closed bridges using conical taper'd shaft. Carom players have much more severe tapers on their cues than the Z and they use closed bridge on nearly 100% of shots. Go figure.
 
I switched from my regular shaft to a Z shaft about 2 months ago....2 weeks before the BCA Open. I had never used predator at all and when I decided to switch, I went all out and skipped the 314. I really like it. I have always been a player that uses alot of center ball. I had trouble putting alot of english on the ball. When I switched it was difficult at first. The taper was so different and I could use a ton of english. After a few days I got pretty used to it. The taper didn't seem so small and I learned that I no longer had to put a ton of spin on the ball. I could use a small amount and get the same affect.

I got used to it pretty quick...maybe about 3 days or so of playing 4-8 hours. I can see how it would be harder to get used to if you don't play often. It takes a little time to get used to not having to compensate for the spin when you aim. It took a little longer to be comfortable using alot inside english. But as 5railkick said...it is mental. You have to convince yourself that you are going to make the ball even though you don't have to aim differently then if you were using centerball.

Good luck,
Sarah
 
Some great reply's. Thanks a lot. I was already convinced that I would have to start over learning to play with it until I got comfortable. And now seems the time to do that with the 'summer doldrums'. Sarah, I would like the ability to use little english to get the same affects I get now. That would be probably worth the shaft and relearning. I am glad to get such good comments. All have been good food for thought. I appreciate the reply's.
 
sarahrousey said:
I switched from my regular shaft to a Z shaft about 2 months ago....2 weeks before the BCA Open. I had never used predator at all and when I decided to switch, I went all out and skipped the 314. I really like it. I have always been a player that uses alot of center ball. I had trouble putting alot of english on the ball. When I switched it was difficult at first. The taper was so different and I could use a ton of english. After a few days I got pretty used to it. The taper didn't seem so small and I learned that I no longer had to put a ton of spin on the ball. I could use a small amount and get the same affect.

I got used to it pretty quick...maybe about 3 days or so of playing 4-8 hours. I can see how it would be harder to get used to if you don't play often. It takes a little time to get used to not having to compensate for the spin when you aim. It took a little longer to be comfortable using alot inside english. But as 5railkick said...it is mental. You have to convince yourself that you are going to make the ball even though you don't have to aim differently then if you were using centerball.

Good luck,
Sarah

Did you have the shaft specially fitted to your cue or just buy one with the proper threads? What is the weight of your cue with the old shaft?
 
Mostly wondering if anyone had a 314, went to the Z and loved or hated the move.[/QUOTE]

I've had the z-shaft since last nov. and I love it. I play a lot of different games (9-ball,8-ball,golf and snooker to name a few) and am happy with it in all games. I've played with the 314 previously and now I'm glad that I made the switch! good luck with your decision!
 
deadstroke7 said:
What didn't you like? Are you going to give it more of a chance?
Thanks
I have a Predator SPJU that is pretty light. Probably 18oz. I had the original 314 shaft modified with a phenolic tip/ferrule combo. I use it to break with. I bought the Z shaft to fit this cue. My playing cue is an Espiritu. I like the way the Predator breaks so I may keep everything and just sell the Z shaft. I mainly didn't care for it because of the small diameter and the cue is too light to be used as a shooting cue.
 
alstl said:
Did you have the shaft specially fitted to your cue or just buy one with the proper threads? What is the weight of your cue with the old shaft?

I have a radial pin so I just got a shaft that fit, the rings don't match. Predator was nice enough to give me a choice in what I wanted and I thank them for sending me their product. My cue was 18.5 oz. now it is 18 oz. when I use the Z shaft. I would imagine it would make a huge difference if you are buying the shaft to go on a heavier cue. It may make it feel extremely butt heavy. I think it didn't matter too much on my cue because it was light to begin with.

Sarah
 
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