$500 Entry For Us Open?

bud green

bud green

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Is this correct? Seems a bit high but I've never played in it and don't know the payouts. What will first place earn (approximately) with a full field?

Sang Lee used to have tournements where the entry was $300 or more but I can't think of other events with entry fees that high.
 
bud green said:
Is this correct? Seems a bit high but I've never played in it and don't know the payouts. What will first place earn (approximately) with a full field?

Sang Lee used to have tournements where the entry was $300 or more but I can't think of other events with entry fees that high.
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you read it right.

first place usually pays in the neighborhood of 30,000

with a full field i think it jumps to 40,000. i don't think they have had a full field in recent years.

last years was about 198 players, first place paid 30 dimes

VAP
 
bud green said:
Sang Lee used to have tournements where the entry was $300 or more but I can't think of other events with entry fees that high.
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there are quite a few events each year with 300 or more entry fee.

VAP
 
The entry fee is a definite cost item, but it's the norm relating to the U.S. Open. The Pro Event at the recent Super Billiards Expo also had a $500 entry fee.

The BULK of the expenses associated with attending tournaments is the lodging and travel expenses, many times hitting $1,000 to $2,000, depending on the event.

Having said that, though, I believe the U.S. Open to be one of -- if not THE -- most prestigious pool events in the States for professional and aspiring pool players.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
JAM said:
The entry fee is a definite cost item, but it's the norm relating to the U.S. Open. The Pro Event at the recent Super Billiards Expo also had a $500 entry fee.

The BULK of the expenses associated with attending tournaments is the lodging and travel expenses, many times hitting $1,000 to $2,000, depending on the event.

Having said that, though, I believe the U.S. Open to be one of -- if not THE -- most prestigious pool events in the States for professional and aspiring pool players.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
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For everyone worring about expenses of playing, do what Jeanette does:

MARKET YOURSELF and get a sponsor. How? do what Jeanette does: GET ON THE PHONE FOR 5 HOURS A DAY to line up a sponsor(s).

Here's the value ladder, from the bottom up:

1.) Idea = 1 cent (dime a dozen)....Example: I think I'll play in the Open
2.) Prototype = 10 cents....Example: Practice for 15 years to become good.
3.) Mass production = $1...Example: Hit the road for another X years to perfect game and build a name.
4.) Marketing = $10 ...Example: Never stop selling your product, your game, your image...YOU.

I suspect most players work on 2 mostly, which is fine, but won't get you any money. The dedicated players work on 3, but this, too, won't get you more than gambling money and an occasional win or close to it, and we know how that usually works out in the long run: burnout, frustration, broke.

Start working on Number 4, the highest value, and watch the money come. I don't care what business you're in, number 4 is where the money is. Take marketing classes, attend seminars, pay to have lunch with Jeanette or any other successful person and ask them to help you. Hire a promoter if you won't do this. Start a small business and get experience marketing. Market, market, market yourself! Replace some of your Number 2 and 3 time and put it into Number 4.

Any other way (lottery win, eg) is a mystical shortcut cop-out and will leave you wanting. Marketing is more important for generating value than learning backhand english or masses or whatever. Without marketing, your game is stuck in Numbers 2 or 3 forever. You got the best game in the world? So freakin' what?...THE question is: Who is gonna pay you for it?

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
For everyone worring about expenses of playing, do what Jeanette does:

MARKET YOURSELF and get a sponsor. How? do what Jeanette does: GET ON THE PHONE FOR 5 HOURS A DAY to line up a sponsor(s).

Here's the value ladder, from the bottom up:

1.) Idea = 1 cent (dime a dozen)....Example: I think I'll play in the Open
2.) Prototype = 10 cents....Example: Practice for 15 years to become good.
3.) Mass production = $1...Example: Hit the road for another X years to perfect game and build a name.
4.) Marketing = $10 ...Example: Never stop selling your product, your game, your image...YOU.

I suspect most players work on 2 mostly, which is fine, but won't get you any money. The dedicated players work on 3, but this, too, won't get you more than gambling money and an occasional win or close to it, and we know how that usually works out in the long run: burnout, frustration, broke.

Start working on Number 4, the highest value, and watch the money come. I don't care what business you're in, number 4 is where the money is. Take marketing classes, attend seminars, pay to have lunch with Jeanette or any other successful person and ask them to help you. Hire a promoter if you won't do this. Start a small business and get experience marketing. Market, market, market yourself! Replace some of your Number 2 and 3 time and put it into Number 4.

Any other way (lottery win, eg) is a mystical shortcut cop-out and will leave you wanting. Marketing is more important for generating value than learning backhand english or masses or whatever. Without marketing, your game is stuck in Numbers 2 or 3 forever. You got the best game in the world? So freakin' what?...THE question is: Who is gonna pay you for it?

Jeff Livingston
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Great post Jeff, tap tap...too bad midgets are not the next big thing in pool, I would be raking it in. I hope when I retire from this computer work I will have time to start practicing and marketing myself as well.

Great advice for the up and comer...no matter how good you are with the stick, it is all about perception sometimes.

Shorty
 
chefjeff said:
For everyone worring about expenses of playing, do what Jeanette does:
1.) Idea = 1 cent (dime a dozen)....Example: I think I'll play in the Open
2.) Prototype = 10 cents....Example: Practice for 15 years to become good.
3.) Mass production = $1...Example: Hit the road for another X years to perfect game and build a name.
4.) Marketing = $10 ...Example: Never stop selling your product, your game, your image...YOU.

I suspect most players work on 2 mostly, which is fine, but won't get you any money. The dedicated players work on 3, but this, too, won't get you more than gambling money and an occasional win or close to it, and we know how that usually works out in the long run: burnout, frustration, broke.

Start working on Number 4, the highest value, and watch the money come...Without marketing, your game is stuck in Numbers 2 or 3 forever. You got the best game in the world? So freakin' what?...THE question is: Who is gonna pay you for it?

Jeff Livingston
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ChefJeff, that's all good, the marketing factor. However, without ACCOMPLISHING No. 2 in particular, it'd be a little difficult to "start working on Number 4, the highest value."

For you to say "everyone worrying about the expenses of playing, do what Jeanette does" will not help aspiring pool players who desire to take their game to the next level of PROFESSIONAL-caliber player. No. 2 in the equation is kind of important. ;)

Sadly, the railbirds and paying spectators incur just about the same expense as the traveling professional pool players when attending pool events, like the U.S. Open. Personally, though, I wouldn't miss it for anything! :p

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
vapoolplayer said:
so basically to make money at pool the equation has to look like this

(1+2+3)4

VAP
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No, that is all wrong. The answer to your equation is 24. Jeff's value ladder thingy only goes up to 4.

A better equation would be

y + m = n

where y is number of years practicing the game
where m is marketing involved
where n is total money earned

I'm so confused.
 
AceHigh said:
No, that is all wrong. The answer to your equation is 24. Jeff's value ladder thingy only goes up to 4.

A better equation would be

y + m = n

where y is number of years practicing the game
where m is marketing involved
where n is total money earned

I'm so confused.
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um...........yea...........
 
chefjeff said:
For everyone worring about expenses of playing, do what Jeanette does:

MARKET YOURSELF and get a sponsor. How? do what Jeanette does: GET ON THE PHONE FOR 5 HOURS A DAY to line up a sponsor(s).

Here's the value ladder, from the bottom up:

1.) Idea = 1 cent (dime a dozen)....Example: I think I'll play in the Open
2.) Prototype = 10 cents....Example: Practice for 15 years to become good.
3.) Mass production = $1...Example: Hit the road for another X years to perfect game and build a name.
4.) Marketing = $10 ...Example: Never stop selling your product, your game, your image...YOU.

I suspect most players work on 2 mostly, which is fine, but won't get you any money. The dedicated players work on 3, but this, too, won't get you more than gambling money and an occasional win or close to it, and we know how that usually works out in the long run: burnout, frustration, broke.

Start working on Number 4, the highest value, and watch the money come. I don't care what business you're in, number 4 is where the money is. Take marketing classes, attend seminars, pay to have lunch with Jeanette or any other successful person and ask them to help you. Hire a promoter if you won't do this. Start a small business and get experience marketing. Market, market, market yourself! Replace some of your Number 2 and 3 time and put it into Number 4.

Any other way (lottery win, eg) is a mystical shortcut cop-out and will leave you wanting. Marketing is more important for generating value than learning backhand english or masses or whatever. Without marketing, your game is stuck in Numbers 2 or 3 forever. You got the best game in the world? So freakin' what?...THE question is: Who is gonna pay you for it?

Jeff Livingston
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YAHOO!!!...That's it!...It's all about sponsorship...look a ladies tennis as a good example...Kournikova can't play, but she's rich!...Sharapova can play and she barely has enough room on her body for all her sponsors, she's on the road to wealth...Jeanette is on Bravo!, like celebrity pool or not, will it be on long?, probably not...Jeanette has a contract and will get paid not matter what...where? are the men in this equation?...have women in sports cornered the market?
 
JAM said:
Having said that, though, I believe the U.S. Open to be one of -- if not THE -- most prestigious pool events in the States for professional and aspiring pool players.


JAM
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IMO I would rank some weekly and monthly events ahead of the US Open.

You cant title something and call it great IMO.
Too many negative things happen at the event for it to even be
prestigious yet alone the most prestigious.
What really kills me is that pool people and players turn a deaf ear
in regards to the Open.

Give me a Grady event or a Hopkins event or an event at the hotdog stand
down the road. At least you get what you are told.
 
but just think, for $500 you can actually play in the U.S. Open!!! i'd say its a bargain, no qualifying, no selection committee, etc, etc. just have $500 for the entry fee, and enough to cover expenses and you are set.

its a great deal as far as i am concerned. have often thought of playing in it just for the heck of it. i wouldnt beat anybody, probably wouldnt even win one rack, may not even pocket a ball. but i could at least say i played in the U.S. Open.

DCP
 
bud green said:
Is this correct? Seems a bit high but I've never played in it and don't know the payouts. What will first place earn (approximately) with a full field?

Sang Lee used to have tournements where the entry was $300 or more but I can't think of other events with entry fees that high.
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There are regional tournaments you can enter whre if win, you get your entry fee paid along with travel expenses. A handicapped "quailifier" like this is trying to be created in the Massachusettes area, was told it would be the first time something like this would be done for a qualifier(handicapped). If it ever goes through the info would be at www.totalpool.info
Would give a chance for a A, B, or C player a chance to play in the U.S. open.
 
JAM said:
Having said that, though, I believe the U.S. Open to be one of -- if not THE -- most prestigious pool events in the States for professional and aspiring pool players.



JAM
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I agree with you 100% Jam. My experience last year at THE OPEN was the most incredible of any tournament I've ever been to. When I walked into the convention center for the first time I had to catch my breath. Just knowing that all of the champions have been there and walked through those very same doors for the first time with the same thoughts on their minds as I had, "I'm going to win the U.S. Open", was a breath taker. Gabe Owen walked through those doors last year as an unknown, to many, and walked out on that final Sunday as a U.S. Open Champion. Does it get any better than that? Not in my opinion. Nobody can ever take that away from him for the rest of his life. I won 2 matches, that's all, and I know I'll never forget the experience. And I owe it all to the great people here on AZBilliards. Hell, I'll be thanking all of you for years so get used to it! Peace, John.
 
Rude Dog said:
I agree with you 100% Jam. My experience last year at THE OPEN was the most incredible of any tournament I've ever been to. When I walked into the convention center for the first time I had to catch my breath. Just knowing that all of the champions have been there and walked through those very same doors for the first time with the same thoughts on their minds as I had, "I'm going to win the U.S. Open", was a breath taker. Gabe Owen walked through those doors last year as an unknown, to many, and walked out on that final Sunday as a U.S. Open Champion. Does it get any better than that? Not in my opinion. Nobody can ever take that away from him for the rest of his life. I won 2 matches, that's all, and I know I'll never forget the experience. And I owe it all to the great people here on AZBilliards. Hell, I'll be thanking all of you for years so get used to it! Peace, John.
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Right on. I thoroughly enjoyed my experience when I played in the 2003 US Open. I'd been a spectator several times, always thinking that I'd love to play just to see how I match up with some of the best players in the world. In 2003, I got my chance when I was able to line up some sponsorship for the lodging, travel, and entry fees. From the players' meeting to the time I left (and yes, I stayed through the hurricane), being immersed in the pool world instead of my usual "real" world was a great escape for a week. It's hard to describe the feeling, but if anybody reading this can afford it, I highly recommend the experience.

-djb
 
Sort of right...but now matter how well Efren plays, or how well Charlie Williams markets himself, neither of them look like Jeanette Lee.

You'll see on the AZ homepage that Olhausen picked Jennifer Barretta as their spokeswoman, and they didn't do it because she is the best pool player.

Kollegedave



chefjeff said:
For everyone worring about expenses of playing, do what Jeanette does:

MARKET YOURSELF and get a sponsor. How? do what Jeanette does: GET ON THE PHONE FOR 5 HOURS A DAY to line up a sponsor(s).

Here's the value ladder, from the bottom up:

1.) Idea = 1 cent (dime a dozen)....Example: I think I'll play in the Open
2.) Prototype = 10 cents....Example: Practice for 15 years to become good.
3.) Mass production = $1...Example: Hit the road for another X years to perfect game and build a name.
4.) Marketing = $10 ...Example: Never stop selling your product, your game, your image...YOU.

I suspect most players work on 2 mostly, which is fine, but won't get you any money. The dedicated players work on 3, but this, too, won't get you more than gambling money and an occasional win or close to it, and we know how that usually works out in the long run: burnout, frustration, broke.

Start working on Number 4, the highest value, and watch the money come. I don't care what business you're in, number 4 is where the money is. Take marketing classes, attend seminars, pay to have lunch with Jeanette or any other successful person and ask them to help you. Hire a promoter if you won't do this. Start a small business and get experience marketing. Market, market, market yourself! Replace some of your Number 2 and 3 time and put it into Number 4.

Any other way (lottery win, eg) is a mystical shortcut cop-out and will leave you wanting. Marketing is more important for generating value than learning backhand english or masses or whatever. Without marketing, your game is stuck in Numbers 2 or 3 forever. You got the best game in the world? So freakin' what?...THE question is: Who is gonna pay you for it?

Jeff Livingston
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