7-Ball Strategy

Flex

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Yesterday, a friend asked me to play some 7-Ball, not by the rules that one sees the game played by on TV, but what he said were the old rules. The rack is the same, the 7 ball made on the break wins, but after the break the person who didn't break gets to choose which side of the table he wants the 7 ball to go in for him to win. If the 7 ball is comboed in legally before the normal end of the game and it goes in the opponent's pocket, the opponent wins. If the 7 ball is hit illegally, the oppnent has the option of putting it back where it was before it was struck illegally.

Obviously, this game is far different from most 7-ball being played today. It's somewhat similar to 8 ball in that an inadvertent potting of the 7 ball in a wrong pocket loses the game.

Does anyone know of any books or instructional articles on the strategy of how to play this game? Gotta say, it really can mess with your mind...

Flex
 
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Any game can be fun to change up the routine, but I think I would have to change it to trade sides back/ forth, play with only 1 ball. ;)
 
whitewolf said:
On TV, ESPN played the Old Timers tournament. These were the rules they were playing by, seriously. Maybe this is where your friend got the rules.

Perhaps that's where he got them, very possible.

That being said, do you know of any articles suggesting a good strategy for playing 7 ball according to the old rules?
 
This version of 7ball has been around for a long time, Mosconi played Fats this game in one of their shootouts (and won).

The strategy is if the 7ball is on the long rail, play for a bank and play with speed to leave it on the other person's side if you miss. If its on the short rail, leave the ball on the same side as the other person's pocket, on the rail, so the cant bank it (or cut it) easily.
 
Flex said:
Yesterday, a friend asked me to play some 7-Ball, not by the rules that one sees the game played by on TV, but what he said were the old rules.

These aren't the old rules. These are the real rules of 7-ball. The bastardized rules of ESPN are, IMO, why ESPN needs to stop screwing with pool rules.

The rules that your friend is talking about can be found in the BCA Rulebook. ESPN should have gotten one.

The basic strategy for the chooser is to look at the 7-ball and the ball previous to the 7-ball to see what the easiest pattern is, then choose that side of the table. For decent players, it becomes a banking contest. For intermediates, it can become a movers game, but with only 7 balls less whatever was made on the break, it becomes a pure offense game rather quickly.

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Fred Agnir said:
These aren't the old rules. These are the real rules of 7-ball. The bastardized rules of ESPN are, IMO, why ESPN needs to stop screwing with pool rules.

The rules that your friend is talking about can be found in the BCA Rulebook. ESPN should have gotten one.

The basic strategy for the chooser is to look at the 7-ball and the ball previous to the 7-ball to see what the easiest pattern is, then choose that side of the table. For decent players, it becomes a banking contest. For intermediates, it can become a movers game, but with only 7 balls less whatever was made on the break, it becomes a pure offense game rather quickly.

Fred


Thanks Fred for the insights, very helpful, as have been your posts on using your adapted methods of Hal Houle's systems. Without realizing it, I think I happened upon some of the backhand english and offsetting of the aim on the cue ball techniques you explained, and have been incorporating some of those techniques.

A question for you: I imagine you are familiar with Bert Kinister's "60 Minute Workout" and wonder (as I haven't had a chance to go shoot some pool to experiment with your systems) if the kinds of shots he incorporates on that video work well with your system; I imagine they do. The shots I'm especially referring to are those where there is approximately a 45 degree cut on the object ball, sending it to a corner pocket, and the cueball is shot with inside english and a tad bit of follow to go three rails and end up back in the center of the table. At the moment, that shot is more or less a feel shot with a heavy amount of correction and extreme inside english with just the right speed of stroke to get the object ball to pot and the cue ball to come around. It's a pretty tough shot, and when I go from a slow table to a fast one, or to balls that are polished to those that are dirty, all bets are off, and a major adjustment is in order. Not at all a simple shot, at least for me... I've been shooting the shot with a parallel aiming method, compensating for throw, and squirt and so on, and have been getting it to work, but not as well as I would have liked.

Does your system work well with that shot?

I basically use two cues, one a Meucci with modified black-dot shafts to reduce squirt, the other a sneaky pete with a modified shaft, that has been "predatorized"... the top 3 1/2 inches of the shaft have been drilled out.

Does your system need cues whose squirt characteristics are similar to a house cue, or will low squirt cues work well with your system, too? Thanks so much!

Flex
 
Flex said:
A question for you: I imagine you are familiar with Bert Kinister's "60 Minute Workout" and wonder (as I haven't had a chance to go shoot some pool to experiment with your systems) if the kinds of shots he incorporates on that video work well with your system; I imagine they do....
Does your system work well with that shot?
Yes they do. I recall that Bert says something about having to adjust for "deflection," but doesn't really get into it at that moment.



Does your system need cues whose squirt characteristics are similar to a house cue, or will low squirt cues work well with your system, too? Thanks so much!

Flex
For all centerball shots, the system works with any cue. With firm english, because all of the Houle systems use pivoting of the backhand to determine the new aim line, I find they only work with normal squirt shafts.

Fred
 
Thanks, Fred. I appreciate the help. Next time I'm at the table I'll try to put your system to use...

Best,

Flex
 
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