8-ball break on valley bar tables

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ChrisBanks

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Ball in hand is too big of a penalty to risk letting the cueball fly. And breaking dry is almost a sure loss. Safe breaking will be frowned upon in most tournaments and might get you excused from future tournaments.

So here is the information we need:

1. How to rack the balls so that a ball is wired, breaking at a medium speed.

2. How to prevent the cueball from being kicked around too much.

If we can satisfy those two criteria, then we have solved the game.

I've never paid much attention to the bar tables before, so I'm not really prepared on how to break!
 
1. I personally, put the cue on the head string, 1 diamond over. Break em like Shane with a snappy stroke. Usually gets me 2-3 balls in and a decent spread.

2. Hit the head ball square.

You can't help it if the cue ball gets hit by another ball.

Just my 0.02
 
A lot of the best bar table players out here (Stan Tourangeau and others) like to hit second ball and the cue ball just hits the side rail and right back into the center of the table.
 
ChrisBanks said:
Ball in hand is too big of a penalty to risk letting the cueball fly. And breaking dry is almost a sure loss. Safe breaking will be frowned upon in most tournaments and might get you excused from future tournaments.

So here is the information we need:

1. How to rack the balls so that a ball is wired, breaking at a medium speed.

2. How to prevent the cueball from being kicked around too much.

If we can satisfy those two criteria, then we have solved the game.

I've never paid much attention to the bar tables before, so I'm not really prepared on how to break!
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I have the most success breaking from the side and on the second ball
Draw the CB to the side rail and it will come straight back across the table.
This is the best BB 8b break unless the tables are just giving up balls from the headstring and that's rare in a valley. This break take time to perfect. The CB must be sliding and not in the air so you have to hit it with as level a cue as possible
 
ChrisBanks said:
Ball in hand is too big of a penalty to risk letting the cueball fly. And breaking dry is almost a sure loss. Safe breaking will be frowned upon in most tournaments and might get you excused from future tournaments.

So here is the information we need:

1. How to rack the balls so that a ball is wired, breaking at a medium speed.(snip)
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If you want to cheat, why not just punch out your opponent and mug him right then and there and be done with it?

Jeff Livingston
 
The side break is something to behold when used effectively. I put a little bit of left and dead ball draw on the cue ball. but speed is the most important thing. not too hard, not too soft, just right. Ive been trying to get it right for the last 3 months.
 
First of all bar table routinely do not have the spots affixed in the proper spot of the table. Find that spot and tap the cloth to ensure the head ball is dead center on it. Then make sure your not tilting the rack. This is about as good as you can do in wiring a rack...there's nothing wrong with that...
 
renard said:
First of all bar table routinely do not have the spots affixed in the proper spot of the table. Find that spot and tap the cloth to ensure the head ball is dead center on it. Then make sure your not tilting the rack. This is about as good as you can do in wiring a rack...there's nothing wrong with that...
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I'm talking trying to get a corner ball to go dead. Or possible the 2nd row balls in the side, but I'm guessing that could be difficult due to kisses. Or even the head ball in the side.

I'm thinking of trying to find a match with Corey or Donnie on the bar table.
 
ChrisBanks said:
Who said crooked rack? I'm just looking to rack the balls in the most advantageous manner possible. Do you suggest I rack them in a loose circle?
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I demand, not suggest, that you rack the balls fairly and squarely.

No advantage from the procedure, just a fair rack. Golly.

Jeff Livingston
 
ChrisBanks said:
Will you admit that some fair racks are more advantageous to the breaker than other fair racks?
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You're kidding, right?

Just rack the balls square, tight, and on the spot in random (or whatever the rules call for) order.



Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
You're kidding, right?

Just rack the balls square, tight, and on the spot in random (or whatever the rules call for) order.



Jeff Livingston
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Then I wouldn't know how to break. It's a gamble breaking them open because it's so easy to scratch on the Valley tables. If the cueball gets kicked anywhere near a pocket, you know it's going down!
 
ChrisBanks said:
Then I wouldn't know how to break. It's a gamble breaking them open because it's so easy to scratch on the Valley tables. If the cueball gets kicked anywhere near a pocket, you know it's going down!
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Poor thing. I'd just quit the game altogether then.

Bye.

Jeff Livingston
 
ChrisBanks said:
Imagine you were captain of the Mosconi Cup team, is this the sort of advice you would give?
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If I played that well, why would I even consider cheating? If those guys are skewing racks, then fug 'em...let 'em make $5K a year forever....real pros.:rolleyes:

Jeff Livingston
 
He isn't asking how to cheat, he is just asking for some advice to have a more consistent break on a valley table. If there isn't a way of racking them to your advantage without cheating then just say that.

I have been messing around with different breaks and speeds but haven't come up with anything overly consistent. Seems to be 50/50, have not tried much with the 2nd ball hit, may try that out!
 
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