8-Ball runout

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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What would you say is about the average percentage for a pro to break & run in 8-ball on a bar table? Do you think 60% of the time they runout?:confused: Thank you. Johnnyt.
 
I would say 85% or better. They can get to their clusters for breakouts. The only time I don't see them getting out is not making anything on the break and the odd time they don't perform up to their ability, i.e, missing a shot, missing a breakout, speed wrong so they come up too long or too short to get the right angles. Then they will probably find a way to play a lock up safe, or rearrange the table to tie up balls, so that they can get out the next trip to the table.
 
Well on Accu-Stats Incardona (spell?) said that about 25% of the time in 9 ball a pro breaks and runs so I guess 8 ball would be higher than that because its a lot easier to recover in 8 ball, I believe. Not always but there are usually more options.
 
I think that some of the percentages here a way too high. 85%?

Your saying that pros on bar table eight ball games are running, on average, greater than eight racks at a clip? I don't think so.

This reminds me of the thread about how much easier eight ball is for the pros as opposed to nine ball, right up until the IPT came to town, complete with stats.
 
I'm going to side with Linda on this one. I know alot of players around here that can break and run out on a bar table more than half the time and they aren't close to being pro.

My self I figure maybe one out of every 5-7 racks I can get out after breaking and I'm a long way from being pro.

A lot of people have seen that video of Corey and Neils on a barbox. I think there were only a couple of times they weren't out after breaking.
 
depends on the break...breaking on bar boxes is at times very inconsistent......i would say that top bar box 8-ball players can run 70 % of the time after the break....and maybe closer to 85 % when they hit a gear.... not take that times a break and you drop way down....around 50 % if you make a ball 3/4 breaks.......one of the best bar box 8-ball players i have seen is Shane and I would guess that he runs out 90-95% after the break...and would not take the ghost in an even money bet against him......as a matter of fact if he was playing the ghost 8-ball on a bar box....and break didn't count..i.e. he got to shoot wether he made a ball on break or not....i would want 9 to 10....and I would probably lose that bet:(
 
Thank you all for your input. Although my novel is fiction, I don't like to look like a dummy. I think I'll go with 75%. Thank you. Johnnyt
 
rackmsuckr said:
I would say 85% or better. They can get to their clusters for breakouts. The only time I don't see them getting out is not making anything on the break and the odd time they don't perform up to their ability, i.e, missing a shot, missing a breakout, speed wrong so they come up too long or too short to get the right angles. Then they will probably find a way to play a lock up safe, or rearrange the table to tie up balls, so that they can get out the next trip to the table.
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How do you reconcile this 85% with the actual break-and-run numbers at the first IPT event? Fewer than half the games played were break-and-runs. The accu-stats 8-ball invitational also had well under 50% break-and-runs. I would bet that less than 10% of professional matches contain 75% or better break-and-runs.

Keep in mind that 75% means that for every dry break, there's a 3-pack to back it up. For every run that gets out of position and ends up in a safe, there has to be another 3-pack. For every jawed ball, you guessed it, another 3-pack. If two racks in a row contain a miss or a safe, there's a six-pack to cancel that out??? I really don't see how this number can be realistic.

-Andrew

(for the record, I'm entering a vote of 40% for the best of the best)
 
Andrew Manning said:
How do you reconcile this 85% with the actual break-and-run numbers at the first IPT event? Fewer than half the games played were break-and-runs. The accu-stats 8-ball invitational also had well under 50% break-and-runs. I would bet that less than 10% of professional matches contain 75% or better break-and-runs.

Keep in mind that 75% means that for every dry break, there's a 3-pack to back it up. For every run that gets out of position and ends up in a safe, there has to be another 3-pack. For every jawed ball, you guessed it, another 3-pack. If two racks in a row contain a miss or a safe, there's a six-pack to cancel that out??? I really don't see how this number can be realistic.

-Andrew

(for the record, I'm entering a vote of 40% for the best of the best)
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The stats on the 9 footer have already been compiled (Accu-stats; IPT), and they do not reach 50%.

Unless we're saying that barbox 8 ball is that much easier (I'm not sure I buy that, though I'd say barbox 9 ball is waaaay easier since congestion is not an issue), I don't see how anyone can go ahead and pull out a 75% stat out of thin air.

I'm with Andrew.
 
Johnnyt said:
I already changed it AGAIN to 55%:D Johnnyt
I'm glad computers don't use ink.
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to answer the question one must determine what percentange one makes a ball on the break in bar box 8-ball.....and have you been to a big bar box tourney recently where the tables broke consistent for an extended period of time?????
 
time_is_now said:
to answer the question one must determine what percentange one makes a ball on the break in bar box 8-ball.....and have you been to a big bar box tourney recently where the tables broke consistent for an extended period of time?????
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also take a look at top bar box 8-ball players....not always the pro's...i think many top bar box 8-ball players can probably run out a higher percentage then a "pro"
 
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