8 Ball,Your Solids......
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Jimmy M. said:
True, in that you've got low odds of winning, but you have to maxmize those odds by trying to force your opponent to execute something difficult. Even leaving him a wide-open table, and an open look at his first shot can seem daunting if the pressure's on and you leave him jacked up over a ball, or straight in on his only shot, or frozen to a rail. It's never good when you're left hoping for a mistake from a good player, but you do all you can to make it easy for him to make that mistake. All the viable solutions mentioned except shooting the 3-7 combo are utilizing this strategy: give him something tough and force him to execute.
-Andrew
Andrew Manning said:
I think you underestimate the advantage stripes has in this situation. Yes, you can prevent the shooter from winning at his next turn but odds are, you're kicking if he doesn't get out.
I play a lot of 8-ball against people who play a lot of 8-ball. Honestly, the reason why I'm leaning toward offense here is because I just know most of my opponents are not going to give me a better opportunity than the one infront of me right now.
If you're going to safe, it has to be a general safe with the intention of moving balls around and hoping something with a stripe ends up funny. The 7-ball simply is in bad shape. You gotta get it out of there.
I haven't seen anyone mention this...
It's possible to safety the stripes player so that he has NO shot on anything. Hit the 3 very soft, cutting it to the right, lettting the cue come off the long rail and snuggle up against the 8. The thing to make sure is that you get the cue on the 'back' side of the 8 ball so there is no shot on the 9. Now, if you can get the cue against or almost against the 8, there is no shot on either of the other 2 balls. So stripes is left kicking or masse'ing around the 8 just to get to his ball. Not an easy shot by any means, but I'll take that any day over a <15% combo opportunity. did someone mention this and I overlooked it?
It's possible to safety the stripes player so that he has NO shot on anything. Hit the 3 very soft, cutting it to the right, lettting the cue come off the long rail and snuggle up against the 8. The thing to make sure is that you get the cue on the 'back' side of the 8 ball so there is no shot on the 9. Now, if you can get the cue against or almost against the 8, there is no shot on either of the other 2 balls. So stripes is left kicking or masse'ing around the 8 just to get to his ball. Not an easy shot by any means, but I'll take that any day over a <15% combo opportunity. did someone mention this and I overlooked it?
dan_boersma said:
You meant this right?
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3CaoX2Gafd3...JHDj1KKpW3PXsT3kXsT6kKWh1kHYj1kbPQ3kUGj3kYWE@
The margin of error is very small. It could be a great safety if it happens. Then you would need SJM's rail knowledge to solve that (see page 2 of the layout)
If you let your opponent see the 10 ball then you can find many possible return shots in Bigtruck's other post: 8 Ball, Your Stripes......
cuetable said:
Yes, that's the shot I am thinking of. IT is a small margin of error, but as long as you leave the cue where he cannot see the 9, you still have a shot in the game. Play it perfectly and you are odds-on to win the game from a terrible position. I'm either going to play that shot or hit the hell of of my balls and hope something good happens. Those are the highest % plays imo.
dan_boersma said:
Yeah, that's a shot that's a little beyond the diagram tool. The space between the 3 and 8 needs to be just right but if you can nail it, it'd be a helluva shot. Advantage would have a complete shift.
Combinations are not my strong suit, but I'd have to look at that as my first option. Then my second option would be to draw the Cue Ball off the 3, playing the 9 in the corner then hope for a miss on the 10. Then hopefully be able to run from there next turn at the table.
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