8ball question

StormHotRod300

StormHotRod300

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Ok tonight I am playing my league match and its 5th or 6th game and my opponent, makes two stripes and then misses, i take a shot and miss, and he gets to the table and makes the first ball which i didnt see him shoot, i turned my head to look at the score sheet. I then see him shoot a solid ( APA 8ball ) And i say " hey, do you know that your shooting my ball "

And of course he looks at me and realizes what happend. So I take BIH and we finish out the game, which i think he still won, not sure cuz we traded games back n forth but i ended up winning Hill Hill. Well of course the other team captain, starts making Nit remarks about how i let him shoot a couple of my balls in before saying anything. And how it threw thier guy off his game and bla bla bla.

Now I read i think in WPA or BCA that if someone starts shooting the wrong group of balls Solids or stripes and it isnt noticed till the person has made 3 or 4 balls the person can continue to shoot that group.

I mean since its APA, i wasnt sure about the ruling on this call, but feel i was in the right. Can someone give me some insight?
 
Dave...In BCA rules you have to notify your opponent before they pocket the 2nd ball. Otherwise they keep shooting the same side...kind of a 'snooze, ya lose' rule.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Apa

http://www.poolplayers.com/tmanual.pdf


g. Occasionally it occurs after the break, or anytime during the game for that matter, that a player mistakenly starts shooting the wrong category of
balls. Although it is sportsmanlike for the sitting player to remind the
shooting player that he is about to foul by shooting the wrong category of
balls, it is not a requirement for him to do so. Once the shooter has hit
the wrong category of balls, the foul has occurred whether the ball is
pocketed or not. If the ball is pocketed, it is permissible, though not
recommended, that the sitting player allow the shooting player to continue
shooting his balls in until he feels inclined to call the foul. The shooting
player can escape penalty by quietly realizing his error and returning to shoot the correct category of balls and legally contacting one of them
before his opponent calls a foul, or by finishing off the wrong category of
balls and legally contacting the 8-ball prior to his opponent calling a foul.
In other words, the sitting player must call the foul before the shooter
returns to the correct category and legally contacts one, or before the
shooter pockets the remaining balls of the wrong category and legally
contacts the 8-ball. Once a player makes legal contact with the 8-ball,
the player assumes control of that category of wrongly pocketed balls
and can win the game by legally pocketing the 8-ball. Before any foul has
occurred, the shooter also may avoid penalty by asking the sitting player
which category of balls he has. The sitting player must tell him the truth.
 
Da Poet said:
http://www.poolplayers.com/tmanual.pdf


g. Occasionally it occurs after the break, or anytime during the game for that matter, that a player mistakenly starts shooting the wrong category of
balls. Although it is sportsmanlike for the sitting player to remind the
shooting player that he is about to foul by shooting the wrong category of
balls, it is not a requirement for him to do so. Once the shooter has hit
the wrong category of balls, the foul has occurred whether the ball is
pocketed or not. If the ball is pocketed, it is permissible, though not
recommended, that the sitting player allow the shooting player to continue
shooting his balls in until he feels inclined to call the foul. The shooting
player can escape penalty by quietly realizing his error and returning to shoot the correct category of balls and legally contacting one of them
before his opponent calls a foul, or by finishing off the wrong category of
balls and legally contacting the 8-ball prior to his opponent calling a foul.
In other words, the sitting player must call the foul before the shooter
returns to the correct category and legally contacts one, or before the
shooter pockets the remaining balls of the wrong category and legally
contacts the 8-ball. Once a player makes legal contact with the 8-ball,
the player assumes control of that category of wrongly pocketed balls
and can win the game by legally pocketing the 8-ball. Before any foul has
occurred, the shooter also may avoid penalty by asking the sitting player
which category of balls he has. The sitting player must tell him the truth.
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i have a friend who is well aware of this rule, and has used it to his advantage in the nationals one year. if you knew the individuals involved, you also might think it funny.

his player, a 3 should be a -1 comes to the table after the outgoing player breaks makes a stripe shoots at another ball and misses, looks at the table for a couple of minutes and shoots at a stripe. his opponent comes back to the table confused and proceeds to run out the solids. upon making the last ball my friend calls foul and his player gets ball in hand on the 8-ball winning the only game their team won out there that year.

this guy always reads the rules and he uses them. some may call him names but he follows the rules and ultimately he actually is very fair and honest.
M.C.
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Da Poet, thanks :)

Scott Lee, Ok, I understand the BCA rules, but tonight it was APA so is it any different?
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Yes, it's different. In APA, the rules state that you can let him keep shooting your balls as long as you want, waiting to eventually call foul and take ball in hand on your remaining balls, but that it is SUGGESTED in the name of sportsmanship that you call foul after the first shot. Sorry I don't have the exact wording to quote, maybe someone else does.

Also, in the league I play in, it's permitted for teammates to call out a warning to a player who's lining up on the other player's ball, just like it's permitted for teammates to remind a player to mark the pocket for the 8. I'm not sure if this is officially permitted, but it's what we do.

-Andrew
 
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