What are the effects on the 9 ball rack, breaking a ball off the rail using center cue ball or draw? I'm interested in what the draw does to the 1st, 2nd & 3rd balls on the side your breaking from. The 3rd ball being the wing ball. It seems that the angle off the rack can be affected with using draw or not?
9 ball break!
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From my experience English has no influence on the balls in the rack, it only affects the cue balls motion after contact.
The only ways to influence the angles the balls take off the rack is to change the speed of the break, or the angle that you break the balls from (where the cue ball starts from) and the point that cue ball hits the head ball (thick, thin or square).
There are a lot of variables there.
The only ways to influence the angles the balls take off the rack is to change the speed of the break, or the angle that you break the balls from (where the cue ball starts from) and the point that cue ball hits the head ball (thick, thin or square).
There are a lot of variables there.
brian0741...Many people mistakenly believe that you can influence what happens with the rack, by putting spin on the CB. As already mentiioned, this is a myth, and doesn't have any significant effect. Speed and CB placement will do more to affect what happens with the rack, than anything else.
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At best, you can influence the 1 ball with draw on the cueball. It will entice the one ball to carom off the next ball at a slightly different angle so that it's path comes a little less 'up table' towards the breaker. How much you can influence it depends on the original position of the cue ball, how squarely you hit the 1 ball, and how much spin it has when it gets there. It really isn't a whole lot and your results may vary greatly depending on playing conditions.
9-ball break cb bounce to center
Back in th 80s I watched some champions breaking 9-ball. I remember UJ Pucket consistently leftthe cueball the dead center of the table. It would come back fast off the 1-ball and stop suddenly as if it had brakes. My question is whether this was a result of top spin or no spin. Did the cb just bounce off the rack which had 9 times the mass of the cb
Another question. Lets say a pro breaks initially contacting the cb at the center or above and then the tip off the stick comes to rest on the cloth at the end.
Would the spin or lack of spin on the cb be as a result of the center initial contact or the below center position of the tip later in the stroke. I have heard it quoted here that the tip stays in contact with the cb only maybe 1/1000 of a second or something. Assuming that is true how much distance in inches does that translate to and therefore how much lower on the cb is the tip when it looses contact. Does the stick loose much of its forward speed on contact or continue to accelerate remaining in contact with the cb for a significant distance? Any science out there regarding this or just speculation as usual?
looking to hear from the many very informed folks on this forum.
thanks,
j
Back in th 80s I watched some champions breaking 9-ball. I remember UJ Pucket consistently leftthe cueball the dead center of the table. It would come back fast off the 1-ball and stop suddenly as if it had brakes. My question is whether this was a result of top spin or no spin. Did the cb just bounce off the rack which had 9 times the mass of the cb
Another question. Lets say a pro breaks initially contacting the cb at the center or above and then the tip off the stick comes to rest on the cloth at the end.
Would the spin or lack of spin on the cb be as a result of the center initial contact or the below center position of the tip later in the stroke. I have heard it quoted here that the tip stays in contact with the cb only maybe 1/1000 of a second or something. Assuming that is true how much distance in inches does that translate to and therefore how much lower on the cb is the tip when it looses contact. Does the stick loose much of its forward speed on contact or continue to accelerate remaining in contact with the cb for a significant distance? Any science out there regarding this or just speculation as usual?
looking to hear from the many very informed folks on this forum.
thanks,
j
Top spin. If there was no spin on the cueball, it would slide back, and then start a natural roll back to the breaker. The cuetip does lose some forward speed upon contact with the cueball. There was some high speed video analyis that was on Dr. Dave's site that should the impact and a graph of the cuetips position as a function of time. I believe it was in another thread on the main forum dealing with topspin.
nashville14:1...You have some of it right. The CB does "bounce" off of the greater mass of the rack. The direction, distance, and amount of spin would be related to where on the head ball the CB hit it. The CB would have to have some amount of topspin to bounce and run back forward. Figuring out the strokespeed and a super accurate strike position on the CB (3mm), to get predictable results, would be a matter of trial & error. Once you got it figured out, you learn how to adjust to different tables and playing conditions. That's why guys like UJ figured it out...they had 60+ years of combat! LOL There is no "remaining on the CB"...the ball is gone off of the tip in a millisecond...therefore the 'distance' the CB travels before it leaves the tip is minimal (what you referred to as "tip remaining in contact with the CB")...as Randyg said, about 1/16 of an inch. How far it goes, once it leaves the tip, is a matter of many variables. Most normal strokes will have the tip finishing on or near the cloth at the conclusion of the stroke.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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