9 ball: how do you improve your saftey game ?

cheemagun

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Id say im a B+.... on my good days i think im a A.. (only because of the safteys im able to execute on my good days..) In 9 ball..
but.... i think my average game is lacking the safteys.. they are costing me the most games... not to mention the most important games in a set... I feel a lot of the sets i played recently besides the ones where i drill somebody, the close ones.. i would have won if i knew how to play better safties then i do.. and even the close ones that i won i wouldnt have to sweat it so much...

Any drills or any way of improving them that you guys know of so i can move to the next level ?
 
cheemagun said:
Any drills or any way of improving them that you guys know of so i can move to the next level ?

Safety's and kicking are the same thing, work on your kicking. When your kicking is proficient, start taking ball-in-hand, and lining up a shot to send your cue ball right down the path of a "kick" to behind a ball/cluster. Combining kicking systems with safety play will bring your safeties to the next level.

Once you get comfortable with doing this, the next step is to begin not only planing to hook your opponent but also where to hook him/her so that you are cutting down on their options to kick at the ball. Block all of their 1-rail kicks, and more, if possible.
 
I play a decent safety game, and would offer the following suggestions:

1) At first, focus only on moving either the object ball or the cue ball. If you try to put both of them in very specific spots, it gets difficult. If you can play a stop shot and send the object ball behind something, that's better. Or, conversely, if you can send the object ball in a generally "safe" direction and plant the cueball behind something, that is equally desirable.

2) Don't just play safties when you can't make an initial shot, look for opportunities to play safe when you believe the table layout is unfavorable, then use ball in hand to increase your odds at the table.

3) Stop shot and follow safeties are much easier to execute than safeties that rely on draw shots.

4) Practice by finding the best player you can and set a maximum number of innings per game -- if you can prolong the game past that amount of innings or through normal means, you've won. If not, you lose.
 
My friends and I play what I call safety 9 ball.

The only way to win the game is to 3 foul your opponent.

We do this for 2-3 games each day just to keep sharp on safety play.
 
Add safeties to playing the ghost. If you cant get out, play a safe. Try to make a good hit from your safe, if you make a good hit ghost wins, if not take BIH and continue your run.

This will improve necessaties in your game, executing safeties, and accomplishing a good hit.
 
9 ball: how do you improve your safety game ?

> I made up my own rules when I can confronted with this question. I played a variation of 9-ball with a close friend that was hard-core about improvement as well. The rules were that you didn't win the rack until you sucessfully 3-foul your opponent. If an obvious safety wasn't available,you could run out to a spot to where you could play safe,but even if the rack was so wide open that you couldn't play safe,running out only got you the break for the next game. We played a race to 10 3-fouls that way. We even got creative like Corey on the break,using a soft,thin hit and inside spin to come 2 rails out of the corner and into the back of the stack. We eventually carried that to the point of racking the one on the back point or in the row of 2 behind the 9,requiring you to take the 2 rail kick and open the stack up from behind. We also put the one on the corner,and learned the value of the time-honored 14.1 safety where you kick 2 rails,skid off the side of the stack and leave the cue ball up table.

We did this every other day for a month,in addition to playing a race to 21 regular 9-ball. Before long,we had to quit it because we kept kicking out of each other's traps,got too familiar with each other's tendencies,and we'd be playing out 10 and 15 inning safety wars all day long,and only have 2-3 3-fouls each. We got good at playing the common safes,making up our own,and kicking or jumping our way out.


I found out later that the stuff I learned like that was very helpful in One-Pocket,which has a safety style all it's own,not unlike 14.1 and properly played Banks. DO NOT forget to learn how to play safe in those games too. Having to defend against ANY open ball,is much different than just the lowest numbered ball,and the games I mentioned,along with 8-ball,all have their own set of subtle circumstances that may or may not apply in any other game.

Playing 9-ball,my rule of thumb is look for the spot on the table that would be the absolute hardest spot on the table to get a good hit from,and figure out how to get the cue ball,or in some cases the object ball there. These days,you also have to make an extra-special effort to play safe to a spot that offers limited jump-ability.

Distance is your friend too,and never forget that sometimes the best safety is leaving a ball wide open,and stacking the cue ball up on top of a ball,or frozen to the rail,or in another situation that causes your opponent to have to shoot something long distance,while jacked up awkwardly,off the rail with only the top of the ball to work with,bridging off the tips of their fingers,or something else that might cause them to mis-execute due to being physically uncomfortable shooting that way. The pockets have their own role in playing safe,bridging out of one can be rough.

It also helps to have a devious streak,or develop one. Tommy D.
 
I mentioned this in another thread, but relates to this.
When I lived/played in Atlanta, I had a pool hall owner play me 9ball and he always played to win by 3 fouling me. Unless he was shooting lights out and then would play straight up. But for a few years, we played alot of 3 foul 9ball and tell you what, he didn't win that much, but we both learned sooo much about safe's, kicks, banks, carooms, etc.

Coming from straight pool and bank pool, kicks and safes are easy for me to see and learn. But to try and win or in my case not lose by 3 fouls to a better player was fun and challenging.

As another member suggested, learn your kicks. Practice practice practice those. 1, 2 and 3 rail kicks. Nothing more disheartening then playing a wicked kick out of what your opponent thought was a great safe. These are my current/long time fav drills because you are working with rails, english and cue ball speed all at the same time.

But it does help to play someone that know how to play safe as well, so you learn different times and different types of safes.

ez
 
cheemagun said:
Id say im a B+.... on my good days i think im a A.. (only because of the safteys im able to execute on my good days..) In 9 ball..
but.... i think my average game is lacking the safteys.. they are costing me the most games... not to mention the most important games in a set... I feel a lot of the sets i played recently besides the ones where i drill somebody, the close ones.. i would have won if i knew how to play better safties then i do.. and even the close ones that i won i wouldnt have to sweat it so much...

Any drills or any way of improving them that you guys know of so i can move to the next level ?

Play games against yourself. Opt for safety even if you are fairly certain you can make a ball and get position.
 
I actually went to a pro and told him that I wanted to learn how to stick that cue right up against a freaking ball and send the objest ball away.
I spent the rest of the night working on and only on the tangent line and what top and bottom give you, that was cue ball position 101 (I Guess). It took about a year before I realized that was just about all I needed to pick the correct angle to place that cue right up behind almost and thing.
 
Stones said:
My friends and I play what I call safety 9 ball.

The only way to win the game is to 3 foul your opponent.

We do this for 2-3 games each day just to keep sharp on safety play.

Robert Brynes advocates a game, and man I'll bet it's hard as heck to lock up a guy who plays this game.
 
cheemagun said:
Id say im a B+.... on my good days i think im a A.. (only because of the safteys im able to execute on my good days..) In 9 ball..
but.... i think my average game is lacking the safteys.. they are costing me the most games... not to mention the most important games in a set... I feel a lot of the sets i played recently besides the ones where i drill somebody, the close ones.. i would have won if i knew how to play better safties then i do.. and even the close ones that i won i wouldnt have to sweat it so much...

Any drills or any way of improving them that you guys know of so i can move to the next level ?

DON"T MISS!!!!
 
Stones said:
My friends and I play what I call safety 9 ball.

The only way to win the game is to 3 foul your opponent.

We do this for 2-3 games each day just to keep sharp on safety play.

The alternative to good play.
 
safety 9ball is good but its hard to find someone who wants to play it. Probably one of the things that helped my safety 9ball game was playing more straight pool and 1 pocket, you have to shoot alot of safeties and you get alot shot back at you. Next best thing wouldbe watching someone whos good at safes.
Me and a buddy went to the next town over looking for some action once, we played excellent partners games for some reason, nobody in our home room would play us without outlandish spots so off we went. This guy jumped on us as soon as we walked in the door, we told him we wanted a partners matchup and he went and got a partner. This guys shotmaking wasnt very strong from what i could see, all i could see was everytime he had anything but a dead in shot he safed the crap out of us, and i mean his safes were a thing of beauty. Nothing fancy, very simple but he had had it down cold. Someone posted up concentrate on doing something with either the cueball or the object, not both........excellent advice. When i play the ghost alot of time if i dont have a shot ill see if i can safe it.......then just call that match a draw and rebreak or take ball in hand after your good safe. Ive seen some videos that will touch on safetys but nothing that in depth, you just have to pick it up thru experience.
 
heightened kicking skills

A good way to learn/practice kicking is to experience some of the games played on a billiard table.

I think the Italian/Argentinian 5-pin billiard players are among the most skilled kickers in the world. Former USBA National Champion Pedro Piedrabuena knows the game and explained the rules to me some years ago. I understand that Torbjorn Blomdahl plays quite well.

The object of the game is to score points by driving the opponents cue ball into 5 pins located in the center of the table and then hiding the cue ball - playing safe.
Every shot must be a defensive shot since you always alternate turns at the table. Since the best strategy is to hide your cue ball from view of your opponents cue ball - you see a lot of offensive/defensive kicking on a regular basis. Yea. It's a pretty brutal game.

Check out these clips of a semi-final match between two top players - posted by someone from Italy. As you can see, the pros have honed their kicking abilities to a very high level of accuracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSeXXIChXIU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzY0iU-K4s&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHlqqxQC7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwgmATiLzKU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6raZfjehla4

also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUUDYb73wo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pf75tOB4Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Wb8tDqQmU

It is quite an obscure game (not widely played), but I think the game has a lot of application for developing safety play within 9-ball. Check it out, what do you think?

-Ira
 
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