9-Ball Rule question

[Maddog]

Hi all,
I've been lurking/reading for a while but now I have a question or two.

This first one is copied from another forum(uk based) which has not been answered as yet:
"if your opponent makes a foul and you have cue ball in hand,what happens if you can't see or place the cue ball anywhere on the table to make a legal shot on the next object ball. This happened to me in a game the other night. He fouled and the 3 ball (object ball) landed right over the pocket but 2 other balls rolled up close to it,i had ball in hand but physically could`nt place the white anywhere on the table to make a legal shot.no-one in the club knew wot the rule was"


The second is from me:
What are the rules for playing a touching object ball (cue ball frozen to ball on in 9 ball)?


Thanks in advance

Colin

 

[PROG8R]

Hi all,
I've been lurking/reading for a while but now I have a question or two.

This first one is copied from another forum(uk based) which has not been answered as yet:
"if your opponent makes a foul and you have cue ball in hand,what happens if you can't see or place the cue ball anywhere on the table to make a legal shot on the next object ball. This happened to me in a game the other night. He fouled and the 3 ball (object ball) landed right over the pocket but 2 other balls rolled up close to it,i had ball in hand but physically could`nt place the white anywhere on the table to make a legal shot.no-one in the club knew wot the rule was"


The second is from me:
What are the rules for playing a touching object ball (cue ball frozen to ball on in 9 ball)?


Thanks in advance

Colin

Question #1
Tuff luck, its your shot, better make a good hit, or your opponent will get ball in hand.
#2
NO PUSH SHOTS!!, and no double hits.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I don't recall seeing any rule on that for BCA 9-ball.

I suppose you could hand your opponent the cue ball giving them ball-in-hand back. Then if your opponent gave you the cue ball back again, you could warn them they are on two fouls (3 foul rule). Then your opponent would be forced to shoot an intentional foul (3rd foul) or hand you the cue ball again (3rd foul).

Or shoot an intentional foul which hopefully would keep your opponent from running out when they then got ball-in-hand.

 

[Rich R.]

Question #1
Tuff luck, its your shot, better make a good hit, or your opponent will get ball in hand.

The rule is you have to make a good hit or it is a foul. However, if you are playing by the three foul rule, the correct strategy would be to take a foul and give the shot back to your opponent. He is already on one foul and, if you continue to trade fouls, he will get to three first and you will win.
Be sure to warn your opponent, when he is on two fouls, or it doesn't count.


#2
NO PUSH SHOTS!!, and no double hits.

You have to shoot away from the frozen ball, assuming it is not the next legal shot. If that ball moves, it is a bad hit and a foul.

 

[Maddog]

Thanks for answers so far.

For Q #2 I meant cue ball is touching lowest numbered ball on table, the "ball on"

 

[9BallBust-O]

Billy bob is right and I have had that happen ...but I was the one who scratched and the guy I was playing couldnt put the cue ball ANYWHERE on the table that he could hit the OB .. so he called foul on him self .. gave it back to me .. I foulded, now on 2, and he called foul on himself again and gave me the CB and I fouled and lost

 

[pooltchr]

Thanks for answers so far.

For Q #2 I meant cue ball is touching lowest numbered ball on table, the "ball on"

If it's frozen, all you have to do is make it move and get a ball to a rail or a pocket to make a legal hit.
Steve

 

[Andrew Manning]

Billy bob is right and I have had that happen ...but I was the one who scratched and the guy I was playing couldnt put the cue ball ANYWHERE on the table that he could hit the OB .. so he called foul on him self .. gave it back to me .. I foulded, now on 2, and he called foul on himself again and gave me the CB and I fouled and lost

Yeah, you'd have to see that coming before you took your second shot, and use that second shot to move some balls around so you'd have a chance of making a good hit on your third shot (assuming you don't leave things too easy and never get a third shot).

-Andrew

 

[GADawg]

Yeah, you'd have to see that coming before you took your second shot, and use that second shot to move some balls around so you'd have a chance of making a good hit on your third shot (assuming you don't leave things too easy and never get a third shot).

-Andrew

Right you are. When you are about to be on your second foul and you see what is coming, it is time to break the balls out a little bit so you will not die on three fouls. You might screw up and your opponent run out on you, but that is better than committing suicide.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Hi all,
(Object ball totally hidden)

The second is from me: What are the rules for playing a touching object ball (cue ball frozen to ball on in 9 ball)?
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For the first, the best strategy if your opponent is the first on a foul is to move a ball with a foul to make the situation even worse. His response should be to take a foul to open the balls and prevent you from three-fouling him.

The rules do not permit a player to pass his shot. When it is your turn, you must shoot. You cannot pass. And in fact, there is nearly always something you can do that is better than passing, so passing was bad advice to start with.

For the second part, according to the World Standardized Rules, when the cue ball is frozen to a legal object ball, you are permitted to take any normal stroke towards that ball. Straight at the ball with a level stick and follow and break shot speed is OK.

Some US amateur leagues make up their own bizarre rules for such situations, and if you play in such a league, you have to look at their local rules to see what to do. Some require you to elevate your stick when shooting such shots.

Note that at snooker and carom billiards, it is always a foul to play into an object ball that is frozen to the cue ball.

 

[Maddog]

Thanks for detailed answers.

Thanks Bob, I am in the UK so I don't have to worry about "local" rules for 9Ball. As far as I am concerned we play World Standardized Rules.

You answered the main crux of the question which is whether it is allowed to "push" through the object ball head on. (I use the word push as this shot, as you say, is illegal in snooker etc and is referred to as a push shot)


Thanks all

Colin