9 Ball Rules question - What to do after foul break

AuntyDan

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This question came up in a game I was playing 9 Ball the other night. Suppose your break is foul, either because you swings and mis-cue, hitting the cue ball but missing the rack altogether, or because you hit the rack very weakly, only moving a few balls.

In this circumstance the opponent has which of the following options?

1) If the balls are disturbed re-racking, and then breaking themselves

2) If the balls are disturbed re-racking, and then making the first player break again, but with that player being on one foul.

3) Taking ball in hand and playing from anywhere like any other ball in hand shot. This would include putting the cue ball a foot away from the one and shooting at break speed, or in the case that the balls are disturbed, playing safety after safety around the pack.

I thought that option 1 or 2 were correct, but when I actually looked up the current WPA/BCA rules the only thing it lists as the result of a foul break is the standard Ball In Hand rule, which results in option 3.

Is option 3 the correct one or am I missing something? Has anyone ever seen this come up in a Pro tournament? (Bob Jewett, I'm looking at you bub.)
 
AuntyDan said:
This question came up in a game I was playing 9 Ball the other night. Suppose your break is foul, either because you swings and mis-cue, hitting the cue ball but missing the rack altogether, or because you hit the rack very weakly, only moving a few balls.

In this circumstance the opponent has which of the following options?

1) If the balls are disturbed re-racking, and then breaking themselves

2) If the balls are disturbed re-racking, and then making the first player break again, but with that player being on one foul.

3) Taking ball in hand and playing from anywhere like any other ball in hand shot. This would include putting the cue ball a foot away from the one and shooting at break speed, or in the case that the balls are disturbed, playing safety after safety around the pack.

I thought that option 1 or 2 were correct, but when I actually looked up the current WPA/BCA rules the only thing it lists as the result of a foul break is the standard Ball In Hand rule, which results in option 3.

Is option 3 the correct one or am I missing something? Has anyone ever seen this come up in a Pro tournament? (Bob Jewett, I'm looking at you bub.)
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if it matters, i usually play these tables and play three fouls with a lot of success. if there is a huge cluster there it is easy at times to play really nasty safties.
 
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the rule as i know it ---if braker does not hit rack but fouls, incoming players break, if breaker fouls and at least 5blls does not hit a rail --re-rack incoming players break, if breaker breaks and it is a legal break but fouls-incoming player has ball in hand. STICK:grin-square:
 
In a lot of pool halls, the opening break is very specific to the pool hall.


Some of the Pool Room's rules;
1. The game does NOT start until the ONE ball is hit.
2. If you break and miss-cue and catch the cue ball (see rule #1)
3. If you break and miss the rack all together (see rule #1)
4. If you break, hit the one ball and scratch, incoming player gets ball in hand but this foul does NOT count towards the 3 foul rule.
5. If you break and foul, incoming player can make you break again or re-rack and break himself.

World Standards Rules consider the break shot just as important as any shot in the game. If you cannot meet the minimum requirements for a LEGAL shots, it is a foul. With the exception of hitting the one ball and driving 4 numbered balls to the rail (this prevents the soft break)

The WSR considers the game to have 'Started' when the cue ball is in hand behind the headstring and the cue tip strikes the cue ball.

As a room owner and/or Tournament Director, it is recommended to follow the rules that are published and are available for all the players to read.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
In a lot of pool halls, the opening break is very specific to the pool hall....World Standards Rules consider the break shot just as important as any shot in the game. If you cannot meet the minimum requirements for a LEGAL shots, it is a foul.
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So you are confirming that the rules I'd always thought applied (Options 1 and 2 in my original post) are just "house rules" and the only correct official result of a foul break is Ball In Hand to the opponent, no matter whether the balls have actually been broken open or not.
 
AuntyDan said:
So you are confirming that the rules I'd always thought applied (Options 1 and 2 in my original post) are just "house rules" and the only correct official result of a foul break is Ball In Hand to the opponent, no matter whether the balls have actually been broken open or not.
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Yes, I am confirming, but also I am confirming the 'house rules'. Like I said, it is specific to the HOUSE.

As long as it has been established that it is a 'House rule' and is equally applied to all that compete. I don't have a problem.

Just let me know the rules UP Front.
 
This is how it reads in the APA rule book.

3. Breaking - To be a legal break, players must break
from behind the head string, the head ball must be
struck first and at least four object balls must be driven
to the rails or a ball must be pocketed. The cue ball may
not be shot into a rail before the rack. Failure to strike
the 1-ball first does not result in a foul. If the break does
not qualify as legal, the balls are reracked and broken
by the same player. If the break does not qualify as legal
and results in a scratch, the balls are reracked and
broken by the opposite player. THE RACK MUST BE
STRUCK BEFORE A FOUL CAN OCCUR. Breaking safe
or soft is not allowed. The League Operator may make
judgments and issue penalties to teams and players who
are not breaking hard. Breaking just hard enough to
comply with this rule is not a guarantee against
penalties. Remember, break as hard as you can with
control.

These are BCA
5.4 LEGAL BREAK SHOT
The rules governing the break shot are the same as for other shots except:
1. The breaker must strike the1-ball first and either pocket a ball or drive at least four numbered balls to the rail.
2. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements of the opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere on the table.
3. If on the break shot, the breaker causes an object ball to jump off the table, it is a foul and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere on the table. The object ball is not re-spotted (exception: if the object ball is the 9-ball, it is re-spotted).
These 9 ball rules belong to the BCA. Pool table rules does not claim to have any ownership over the 9 Ball rules. We provide these rules to help promote the sport of Billiards & to help the thousands of visitors play 9 ball correctly.

These are world standard
5.4 LEGAL BREAK SHOT
The rules governing the break shot are the same as for other shots except:



1. The breaker must strike the1-ball first and either pocket a ball or drive at least four numbered balls to the rail.

2. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements of the opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere on the table.

3. If on the break shot, the breaker causes an object ball to jump off the table, it is a foul and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere on the table. The object ball is not re-spotted (exception: if the object ball is the 9-ball, it is re-spotted).



Hope this helps and house rules supercede these rules, just ask drunk bubba for clarification when in doubt.

Dwight
 
I fail to understand why there are so many versions of the rules. The governing body of pool is the WPA and this organisation has rules that should in my opinion be standard all over the world.

The rule concerning the shot after a foul break is quite simple, the incoming player has ball in hand from anywhere on the table, the clever player places the cue ball a few inches from the one ball, slightly skims it and send the CB behind the pack, almost certainly the other player will miss and the he will be on two fouls.
I, in that situation would slam the CB into the pack with a deliberate foul and take my chances that the other guy won't clear up or won't have an easy option to hook me for a third time.
 
Ha ha

tom in cincy said:
in a lot of pool halls, the opening break is very specific to the pool hall.


Some of the pool room's rules;
1. The game does not start until the one ball is hit.
2. If you break and miss-cue and catch the cue ball (see rule #1)
3. If you break and miss the rack all together (see rule #1)
4. If you break, hit the one ball and scratch, incoming player gets ball in hand but this foul does not count towards the 3 foul rule.
5. If you break and foul, incoming player can make you break again or re-rack and break himself.

World standards rules consider the break shot just as important as any shot in the game. If you cannot meet the minimum requirements for a legal shots, it is a foul. With the exception of hitting the one ball and driving 4 numbered balls to the rail (this prevents the soft break)

the wsr considers the game to have 'started' when the cue ball is in hand behind the headstring and the cue tip strikes the cue ball.

As a room owner and/or tournament director, it is recommended to follow the rules that are published and are available for all the players to read.
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boy sounds like south carlina 8 ball rules to me!!!!
 
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Tom In Cincy said:
Yes, I am confirming, but also I am confirming the 'house rules'. Like I said, it is specific to the HOUSE.

As long as it has been established that it is a 'House rule' and is equally applied to all that compete. I don't have a problem.

Just let me know the rules UP Front.
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THAT IS WHERE ALL THESE SH88T GETS STARTED PLAYING HOUSE RULES PLAY BY THE BOOK!!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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