9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt3

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(edit: please note these three zones are the "desired outcomes" people chose after they shot the 4 ball into the upper right hand pocket in the previous thread (9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt2). The focus of exercise Pt3 is not about which zones are better. Consider this as a continuing "Episode" which follow the plot from its "Pre-sequel", and the whole story behind the show is about running a difficult rack of 9 ball. It would be nice if we can accept the CB to be in the best and worst position in one of the zones and try to find the best route to run the 6 and 7. I realize you might not have read the previous post and I was not clear enough in the instruction. Thus I apologize again and I hope you enjoy these threads Wei 6.17.07 :) )




In the previous thread (9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt2), we had a pretty tough position play to go from the 4 to the 5. We came up with 5 different routes going to 3 target zones. Luckily the 4 is gone and the CB is in one of the position zone now (shaded blue box A, B, C).

Exercise

1, Put the CB in the best spot in any of the zones, show the best route to go from the 5 to 6, and then the route from 6 to 7

2, Put the CB in the worst spot in the same zone you have picked (don't freeze it to the rail), show the best route to go from the 5 to 6 and the route from 6 to 7. If you can, please save it onto page 2 of your layout



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My comfort zone for the 5 to the 6 is almost anywhere in zone A, and the straighter in I am, the better. It's a fairly easy draw off one rail to get shape on the 6.

The 6 to the 7 is a touchy shot, but it can be played a number of ways. Me personally, I would rather get underneath the 6 to be able to play it in the side pocket, but with an angle to play it with draw and end up roughly in zone B for shape on the 7. A couple of nice touch shots on the 7 and 8 and position is basically built in to move toward the 9.
 
I would consider page 1 to be the best place to be in that particular zone. Page 2 would be a tough spot to be in. Having to force follow after pocketing the 5 ball and ending up straight on the 6 ball. I hope I did this right. Keep in mind that this is all hypothetical. You can't really tell what you would do until you're actually standing there looking at it.

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I wouldn't put the cue ball in any of those spots... if I had the option to do so I'd start like this... if I HAD to start from those spots, I guess I would start with CB in A and draw one rail back for the same shape on the 6
 
I like AZE's shape on the 6, the only quibble being that he cheated by starting outside the allowed areas =)

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This is how I'd play the first 2 shots (green line is the cueball's path after sinking the 6 in the corner). It's not ideal because you want to get above the 5 but the 8 prevents you from getting very much angle. So you'd need to hit pretty firmly and cheat the pocket to bring it around 2 rails. Even so that's what I'd prefer to do because I can guarantee myself the correct angle on the 6. If you get nearly straight in the 6 becomes a problem so this route would ensure the cut is sharp enough.

If I were in front of the shot and decided it's still too straight, I could always follow with high running english to come around 2 rails in the other direction. After the 6 the runout is pretty tough to screw up.
 
Routes from Zone C

AZE's runout is great. Thanks for sharing it. :)

In these series of exercises, we have been discussing possible solutions to a specific layout. The three position zones (A, B, C) were generated based on the outcomes of people's suggestions from the previous series: 9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt2. In this thread, out goal is to further analyze some more possibility (better or worst) after these outcomes by people. By doing this we can get the most ground covered and have a more complete road map for the layout which I haven't revealed entirely. :cool:

Zone A might appear to be the best zone to start. However if you read through our last discussion, you will find people's concerns about the CB to Zone A path after the 4 ball and there are more people going for Zone B after 2 different CB routes. However I appolygize if my words weren't clear and please always feel free to correct me. :o


Now, allow me to join and play once. In this example, I am going to pick Zone C as my exercise.

After VIProfeesor's suggestion and a straight draw shot on the 4, the CB travels to Zone C. There is a small window to make the 5. As he has pointed out earlier, we can play a soft thin cut on the 5 and aim to use the 7 as a stopper (page 1 as shown). After that we have near straight shot on the 6 (page 2) and then a pretty easy shot on the 7 (page 3)

In the worst scenario, since Zone C is small and the cut angles on the 5 are very similar within the zone, I am just placing the CB far into the table and I have to use a bridge for this shot. Here I use a little too much force on the 5 and bump the 7 too far down (page 4) Luckily I still have a pretty straight shot on the 6 and I just draw back a little (page 5). I'd shoot the 7 softly and leave the ball in mid table for the 8.

For me, the difficult part here is to visualize where the 7 would go as it gets bumped in the first shot, although the chance of messing it up does seem small given the CB is coming in at a angle. :rolleyes:


Need more inputs :confused:
Now we have covered Zone B and C somehow :),

! Everyone please add your ideas on the best and worst routes from Zone A. (or B and C) !

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CueTable,

Here's a recommendation. Now that you have multiple pages for cue table. I suggest adding a notes/commentary area for each page.

Just noticed from these threads that you're putting out, that when people string together multiple cue table pages, that there are a few maccinations that have to be done by the writer and by the reader in order to follow along. Not that it's all that difficult. This system is definitely an improvement by far over how things were pre-CueTable!

Just suggesting that a notes/commentary section for each page, would allow the writer to put their comments right where they are talking about it. And it would be very convenient for the reader as well.

In an anology, it'd be like having a play by play telecast reporter describing events as they are seen on each page.
 
I just can't see using C this way, or really any way =/

From ball in hand, I think it's very timid to intentionally leave yourself both a missable thin cut AND letting the cueball go and possibly knocking another ball to a less favorable position. Its only advantage is that you're guaranteed a shot, but Russ' angle also guarantees that, with a fair chance that the shot won't be a super thin cut.

I'd only play to C to make a safety easy. If I'd rolled to C by accident in the course of a typical match I don't think I'd even consider shooting it. I guess now that it's one of the 'official' possibilities, if I had to bite the bullet I'd play to bump the 7 as you diagrammed it, cuetable. But I'm about 10% to pull it off :/
 
AZE said:

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I wouldn't put the cue ball in any of those spots... if I had the option to do so I'd start like this... if I HAD to start from those spots, I guess I would start with CB in A and draw one rail back for the same shape on the 6
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Then you would have had to use JoeyA's shot on the 4 ball for shape on the FIVE. :D :D
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FLICKit said:
Here's a recommendation. Now that you have multiple pages for cue table. I suggest adding a notes/commentary area for each page...In an anology, it'd be like having a play by play telecast reporter describing events as they are seen on each page.
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Thanks for the great suggestion! About a year a go Mika suggested a Text Caption feature and we took some time to put that in. It is pretty primitive but each text box will hold up to 500 characters. (or more). However, there are some text characters limitation because of browser or forum technology. :o ;)

Related Links

CueTable Tutorial - Lesson 6: Adding Descriptions
Text Example: 2004 Big Apple 9 Ball Challenge, Mika's Massé


CreeDo said:
I just can't see using C this way, or really any way =/

From ball in hand.....
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I must apologize again :o that I didn't explain this exercise well. I have added a note at the beginning of this thread. I totally agree that Zone C might not be the most favorable place to have the CB, however it is one of the possible outcomes from a long discussion in the previous series: 9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt2

I would like to see people can come up with ways to run 5, 6, 7 from the best spot and the worst spot inside of each zone so we can supply more information for people to consider before they make decision in the previous post... :cool:

The other way of doing this exercise is to split the layout into 3 posts but I thought it might be too messy for people to look at. :)

Hal said:
Can the text box be moved?
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Yes, you can click and drag them around in CueTable Editor. Double-clicking on it to change text, clicking outside to finish, pressing "delete" key or dragging it outside of the table to remove. :cool:

JoeyA said:
Then you would have had to use JoeyA's shot on the 4 ball for shape on the FIVE. :D :D
JoeyA
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Just in case if people don't know JoeyA's shot, it is shown on page 4 of the diagram from this post http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=752607&postcount=58 . It is a great shot for seasoned players. :eek:
 
Possible Shots from Zone A

Hi

I have just organized people's comments on have the CB in Zone A from our series of discussion. :rolleyes:

Notes:
1, As Fred mentioned, going for Zone A could be right-handed players' best choice
2, As others pointed out, there could be a danger to be hooked by the 7, 8 or even the 6 if the shot on the 4 to the top right corner pocket is not executed well


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Routes:
page 1, belmicah's first example. The CB landed slightly "on the right side of" OB/Pocket line, A stun follow will get you to the 6. If the CB and the 6 line up, draw back straight for the 7
Page 2, If the angle is a little sharper, we can go 2 rails for the 7
Page 3, Another possibility from belmicah's CB position as someone sent to me via pm
Page 4, Another possibility using hard stun with a little english
Page 5, Firm hit and bring the CB 2 rails around as suggested by CreeDo
page 6, If the CB and 5 get too straight, draw back 1 rail to mid table as suggested by belmicah later
Page 7, If the CB and 5 are in straight line and a bit far apart, draw back just a little as suggested by Pat Johnson (warm welcome
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Page 8, If the CB is "on the left side of" OB/Pocket line, 1 cushion off top long rail to mid table as suggested by spindoktor

I think we have covered all the sensible shots from all three zone.


Any more comments or new suggestions?

:)
 
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