9-ball: Seven Rail Shape - Did I Play this Right?
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The only thing, I am wondering is what kind of english you used on said shot? I'd think something like, a lil bit of low left or just straight left english?
But yea if the table is playing fast, which i imagine it was being @ Amsterdam, I'd play the same shot. only because trying to hold position using inside english would become difficult.
But yea if the table is playing fast, which i imagine it was being @ Amsterdam, I'd play the same shot. only because trying to hold position using inside english would become difficult.
cincyman
Banned
Left hand stun draw with enough spped to got 7 rails in my opinion is just as hard if not harder than extreme left where you are rolling the ball and getting on the other side.sjm said:
Also using the extreme left if you over cut the ball it is a natural 2 way shot. Hitting it hard enough to go 7 rails it is pretty much all or nothing!.
I will admit i might have shot your shot in a tournament or practice but not for my money but maybe for a backers lol. Just kidding!
You definetely get creativity points
BPG24
Banned
sjm said:
I used to hate putting inside on anything, especially shots that i could not stroke firmly.... After Changing to a Predator Z shaft however, these have become much easier since I do not have to allow for near as much deflection...
I have hit that shot the way you drew it up many times, due to bad shapes.. lol
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Hey SJM,
I like offensive 9 ball myself, but did you consider any defensive options? I don't have a home table anymore to verify...would this work? I'd focus on the cue ball to the end rail even if it doesn't get behind the 9. The 8 in the middle of the table is a tough spot to be in with the cue on the rail. 8 ending up in front of the side could be a danger here.
Andy
I like offensive 9 ball myself, but did you consider any defensive options? I don't have a home table anymore to verify...would this work? I'd focus on the cue ball to the end rail even if it doesn't get behind the 9. The 8 in the middle of the table is a tough spot to be in with the cue on the rail. 8 ending up in front of the side could be a danger here.
Andy
I like the extreme inside English option to fall below the nine--at least on my table, which is older and plays a bit slow. Also it should be worth noting that when you miss, you leave your opponent a really tough, near impossible out.
Everytime I let the cueball fly, I scratched or jawed it in the top right corner pocket, and when you miss, you leave your opponent more options.
But again, this is on my 30 year Bruns. Heirloom.
Fun shot.
Everytime I let the cueball fly, I scratched or jawed it in the top right corner pocket, and when you miss, you leave your opponent more options.
But again, this is on my 30 year Bruns. Heirloom.
Fun shot.
I have a couple other (and I think better) options. As it looks the 8 ball is located at the third diamond between the foot rail and the side pocket, spot, and about one diamond plus one ball from between the side pockets. The cue ball is on a line between the 8 ball and the bottom left point of the lower side pocket.sjm said:
IMO, this shot is a pocket speed (or just above pocket speed) cut on the 8. Keep in mind, if you shoot with only top, you will run into the 9. But, if you shoot with (A) just a hair of top left, or (B) just a bit of straight left (again at pocket speed), you will end up like below. I shot this on my table about a dozen times, and a little top left always resulted in an easy cut on the 9. At the angle described above, pocket speed requires to travel just over 2 rails - so shooting the 9 in the bottom left pocket is not an option (on my equipment at least...)
I would never wammy a back cut into the side. Too many things can go wrong (of course, ignoring the obvious fact that if the rails aren't lively, you could never attempt the shot described). IMO, the biggest issue is avoiding the 3 rail scratch which is pretty close. Other problems include: a very large travel distance that will not yield a good shot if the cue stops short, missing the 8 due to excessive speed (possibly hitting one of the nipples), and 5 rail scratching. Also, trying to cut the 8 but hold up with inside english results in a 50-yard line shot.
If you shoot this shot at pocket speed, you should find that you can hold the ball between the 2nd and 3rd diamonds near the opposing side pocket. If you are skilled enough to back cut the 8, then you are skilled enough to shoot that 9.
Put another way, if you shot this shot 20 times -> 10 times going 7 rails and 10 shooting softly (as described above), I would anticipate a higher out percentage for the cue ball that travels less...
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Two quick things I neglected to mention:
1)If you shoot the 8 to the top of side pocket, vs. bottom, the cue ball will have a slightly different path. Not much, but it is something to consider. (Remember, side pockets are the biggest pocket on the table - so even from this angle, it still is able to cheat the pocket)
2) Moving the cue ball up table will still result in a workable 9 ball shot as shown below:
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1)If you shoot the 8 to the top of side pocket, vs. bottom, the cue ball will have a slightly different path. Not much, but it is something to consider. (Remember, side pockets are the biggest pocket on the table - so even from this angle, it still is able to cheat the pocket)
2) Moving the cue ball up table will still result in a workable 9 ball shot as shown below:
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sjm said:
wow thats pretty creative. I would have either sliced the 8 in the side swung two rails out towards close to the middle of the table and made a thin slice on the 9 or just simple try to bank the 8 cross side. I must honestly say I did not see the shot that you chose but I will surely remember it thanks.
I think you could have cut the 8 with pocket speed and held up the CB with a little high right so that the CB would have come to rest along the return line off the foot rail. Any position along that line past the rack outline would have left you with a very makable shot at the 9.
Regards,
Jim
Regards,
Jim
All the feedback greatly appreciated. The conclusion I've reached is that I shot it seven rails for two reasons: 1) I was playing on very fast equipment, and 2) I am not very good at thin cut shots with reverse english. Next time a similar position arises, I'll see a lot more options, and evaluate accordingly.