Here is another 9 ball layout from a tournament video. Do you see anything interesting here?
9 Ball Situation (5) - What would you do here?
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I kinda like this shot with a little low right english
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http://CueTable.com/P/?@2BAto3CQck3...PARM2VAto1VPYn1VcGy3VUaH3VUiI2kARM1kAEn2kalm@
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Coming off that 2 into the 5-8 is just asking for trouble. I would even venture to say that the odds are against you getting a decent shot on the 3 after that. If I was shooting this layout I'd try to do it like this.(see diagram) The whole key to this rack is getting the right angle on that 3. Once you're there it's pretty much over and done with.
MULLY
and to be honest, you're gonna need one helluva kill stroke to control that CB to the center of the table after hitting the 2 so thinly.
MULLY
and to be honest, you're gonna need one helluva kill stroke to control that CB to the center of the table after hitting the 2 so thinly.
Since I have seen the video, I might be biased when it comes to deciding what's a good shot here. Trying to be fair here, I must first state the shot from the video may or may not be the best choice even thought it had shown a great outcome.
I like what PJ has posted. It is easier to aim to have the cb come back to break up the cluster. However, I'd like to hear more about the damage control: what's the best speed / contact point to hit the cluster so a run out is possible afterwards?
I also like what Mullyman is thinking, except I'd say the first shot would come out to something more like this consider the table speed.
Deadon, could you talk a little more about your route? Where do you want the CB to land? What type of speed and stroke needed?
What do you all think?
I like what PJ has posted. It is easier to aim to have the cb come back to break up the cluster. However, I'd like to hear more about the damage control: what's the best speed / contact point to hit the cluster so a run out is possible afterwards?
I also like what Mullyman is thinking, except I'd say the first shot would come out to something more like this consider the table speed.
Deadon, could you talk a little more about your route? Where do you want the CB to land? What type of speed and stroke needed?
What do you all think?
mullyman said:
This is ideal but considering you have a sharp cut on the 2-ball, it may not be available. If you miss your position, you're going to have to play safe having not broken open the cluster or, God forbid, try to play safe OFF the cluster.
You almost HAVE TO go into the cluster from the 2-ball and take your chances. It's reasonable to assume you're going to be able to see the 3 and there are enough balls in the neighborhood to believe that if you don't like your shape, a safety will be available to you.
I mean, I'm sure there are going to be people out there that can execute the diagram above on their respective tables. At my poolroom, the rails are pretty bouncy. I'm not gonna try to thin a ball in and get precise shape so far away from a rail. I'd just be begging for trouble.
I think you need to play for an angle off the 3 to break out the 8-5...If you don't land just right, you can also re-position the cb to draw back into the 8-5 off of the 4 ball...or pocket the 4 and come off the end rail into the 8-5.
If you must wait until the 4...of course you are taking a bit of a gamble on getting a decent shot on the 5...
I don't like using the 2 becuase the tangent line for the 5 is right at the 3 and the 8 banking off the rail is goig right at the three. would almost need to go rail first into the 5-8 to get a shot, and then you are risking a scratch or cacthing the point and shooting back up table...or who kows where...
If you must wait until the 4...of course you are taking a bit of a gamble on getting a decent shot on the 5...
I don't like using the 2 becuase the tangent line for the 5 is right at the 3 and the 8 banking off the rail is goig right at the three. would almost need to go rail first into the 5-8 to get a shot, and then you are risking a scratch or cacthing the point and shooting back up table...or who kows where...
BRKNRUN said:
Not necessarily. You COULD hit the 5 full in the face and sorta drift a little and settle pretty nice on the 3. I see a lot of good things happening on an immediate break out. Of course, if the 2-ball weren't so thin, I'd position for the 3 but I dunno. That looks pretty thin.
Deadon said:
That's the same first option which screamed at me when looking at it and haven't seen anything I prefer to it suggested yet.
Depends partly on the speed of the table etc but on the diagram angles as drawn I don't think it's physically possible to go two rails with the cue ball and stop where Mullyman suggests and get enough speed on the 2 to pot it. Got to be 4 rails with the cue ball if you go that option.
My second choice though would be as Jude described.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Of course I am cutting that 2 in the upper corner also...If I am on a lightning fast table where I have no chance of holding it up I would have to alter my plan.
If it were me cutting the 2 in the lower pocket...I would catch the point of the side pocket and scratch in the other side.
I like to try shape on the 3 for breakout. Ideal position would allow me to just touch the rail below the 8 off the 3 ball sending the 5 to the location of the 15 ball.
Jason Robichaud said:
You guys play some weird 9 ball in Canada.. lol Where did the 15 ball come from? I see what you are saying though..
Looks like I need a lot of weight from everyone! LOL I'm not going to run out here. Sure its all possible but I'm gonna play safe. I could bank the two into the 5, slow speed. I could hit the left or right side of the two. It would leave a jump using the right side. Using the left side and 4 rails makes that 9 very big.
Rod
Rod
2 way shot. if i miss the 2 i either hook my opponent or leave him a tough layout (especially if the 2 is overcut). shape gives me a good chance at getting an angle to stun into the cluster from the 3 to the side or follow into the cluster with the 3 in the long corner. with the right speed i should more than likely have a shot on the 4 coming off of the cluster. if i make the 2 ball and dont have a good angle to break up the cluster i can play safe or make shape to the 4 and try to break the cluster from the 4.
I have to agree with Jude, te cue ball is already in position to break the 5-8 open. Just use a little inside english and hit it hard enough.
Everything else depends on getting good on the 3 ball and if you don't, the 5-8 are going to be a huge problem
Everything else depends on getting good on the 3 ball and if you don't, the 5-8 are going to be a huge problem
After staring at this for 20-30 seconds, I'd probably try to do something like this. Screw it. Give the other guy something to think about.
Not saying it's smart, just probably what I would end up doing. More of a confession that a suggestion. lol
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