9 Ball Situation (6) - An aggressive run out?

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Hi there:

Here is another layout for the aggressive 9 ball players here. It is from a video from a near perfect / very well executed performance.

Can you explain the run out in an exciting and clear voice?

Make sure you can be understood by a regular person who does not play pool.

Also, explain the difficult skills required for this game.




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This part is impossible! I bet I can run this out before I could ever explain how difficult this is to a person who doesn't play pool.

cuetable said:
Hi there:

Make sure you can be understood by a regular person who does not play pool.
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I personally would probably play safe on the 2 sending the cue to the far end rail, and the 2 to the short end rail. However, if I had to ATTEMPT to run out, I would bank the 2 ball, leaving the CB with enough angle to pocket the 3 in the far top corner pocket and drift over for the 4,6 combo, trying to get as straight on the 4 as I could. I would then shoot the combo with center ball, pocketing the 6 in the top corner, and having the 4 move towards the side pocket. Next make the 4 in the side pocket, getting position on the 7 to be able to make the 7 in the top corner pocket with light top spin to come off the far end rail and up for the 8, coming a little short of straight in. The 8 in the bottom corner with center ball if I ended up correct off the 7. Finish with the 9 in the top corner. Maybe not how others would do it, but it is how I see it.

The difficult shots start right away banking the 2 and leaving the CB in the right spot to be able to get on the 4 from the 3. Then getting straight on the 4 from the 3. Making the combo, and leaving the 4 in a position where it can be made in the side, and position can be attained on the 7. If you get there, the rest should be fairly easy. I know this description would probably not be understood by a non pool player, but it is the best I can do. I will be interested to see how differently others would play it.

I suppose an alternate beginning could be to play the 2 ball bank, but put top right spin to come around 3 rails and play the 3 in the side, then drawing the 3 ball into position to play the 4,6 combo.
 
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In a run-out scenario, banking the 2 is a good start.

Let's say the 4-6 combo is not on, what are the possibilities to continue the run?
 
"Well, if Jude Rosenstock wants to bust out the talents, there IS an out available to him. He can bank the two ball into the side pocket and come around two rails for the three. He CAN elect to play safe, oh wait, I think he's going for the bank shot...

Very nicely done. He did exactly as I thought, coming around two rails for the three ball and he has a slight angle that's going to send him back up table. A little bottom right should get him pretty straight on the four-six combination.

Okay, he's come around two rails and he's fallen on the left side of the straight angle. Not a bad place to be. Now, he can't take this combination lightly. He's going to have to pop the six in and HOLD the four ball for another shot. I think he's going to draw back a little and try to position the four in the same pocket as the six.

Oh, very nicely done. Instead he stops the cueball in place and allows the four ball to creep toward the side pocket. Perfectly natural. The out is routine from here. All he has to do is make this four in the top side pocket and have the cueball fall between the seven and nine.

Yes, that's exactly what he's done. Very well played by Rosenstock. This is an excellent way to start off the set. He's come to play, folks. Now let's see if he can keep the cueball on the table with his upcoming break."
 
cuetable said:
In a run-out scenario, banking the 2 is a good start.

Let's say the 4-6 combo is not on, what are the possibilities to continue the run?
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"Well, if Jude Rosenstock wants to bust out the talents, there IS an out available to him. He can bank the two ball into the side pocket and come around two rails for the three. He CAN elect to play safe, oh wait, I think he's going for the bank shot...

Very nicely done. He did exactly as I thought, coming around two rails for the three ball and has positioned the cueball right where it started. Now, here is where it gets tricky folks. Jude is going to have to try to come up with something in order to get out from here. He can slide the cueball into this bottom left region OR he can use bottom left and have the cueball strike the rail just left of the side-pocket. Yes, he's using bottom left.

Oh, very nicely played. The cueball just settled right in between the four and eight. All he has to do now is cinch the four and he's got an easy shot on the six.

Now, this six ball isn't a gimme. For those of you at home, you have to try to think three balls ahead and that eight ball is no hanger with the nine nearby. Oh, it looks like Jude is going to stop the cueball right where the six is. Yes, I think this is a smart decision. Try not to get too fancy here.

Now, all he has to do is use a little inside english on this seven ball, that's right english, and the cueball should hit the short rail and settle pretty flat on the eight. Any small angle will do.

Oh, I think he's gone a little too far. Okay, not a big deal. Just pocket the eight ball with a little draw and he should be fine. Yeah, perfect. Mark one for Rosenstock. Even money he keeps the cueball on the table with his upcoming break, any takers?"
 
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cuetable said:
Hi there:

Here is another layout for the aggressive 9 ball players here. It is from a video from a near perfect / very well executed performance.

Can you explain the run out in an exciting and clear voice?

Make sure you can be understood by a regular person who does not play pool.

Also, explain the difficult skills required for this game.




CueTable Help

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I am going to use a stun shot, or just a slight draw while banking the 2 cross side. Leaving myself even with or slightly closer to the rail as compared to the 3 ball. I shoot the 3 to top left pocket, softly, using a half tip high, to follow across table past the 4 to get a shot at the 4 in top side pocket. I want to have an angle to get the cue ball away from the 6, but not hook myself on the 8. I shoot another stun shot on the 4, just hard enough to get a little separation from the 6, and straight shot on the 6 in top left pocket. I shoot the 6, stop the cue ball, or cheat the pocket so I get the cue ball closer to the 8/9, but not blocked. Shoot the 7 with top right to get the cue ball off the left rail, to come above the 8/9, leaving myself close to straight on the 8 in the bottom left pocket. Depending on the angle, when I shoot the 8 into the bottom left pocket, I either draw back to shoot the 9 in the same pocket, or a soft stun to leave myself a 9 ball in top left pocket.

The toughest shot in the rack is getting from the 3 to the 4 with the correct angle. If I come up short on that, I still play the 4 in the side, but I draw the cueball to shoot the 6 in the top side also, the rest of the run should still be the same.
 
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Jude Rosenstock said:
"Well, if Jude Rosenstock wants to bust out the talents, there IS an out available to him. He can bank the two ball into the side pocket and come around two rails for the three. He CAN elect to play safe, oh wait, I think he's going for the bank shot...

Very nicely done. He did exactly as I thought, coming around two rails for the three ball and has positioned the cueball right where it started. Now, here is where it gets tricky folks. Jude is going to have to try to come up with something in order to get out from here. He can slide the cueball into this bottom left region OR he can use bottom left and have the cueball strike the rail just left of the side-pocket. Yes, he's using bottom left.

Oh, very nicely played. The cueball just settled right in between the four and eight. All he has to do now is cinch the four and he's got an easy shot on the six.

Now, this six ball isn't a gimme. For those of you at home, you have to try to think three balls ahead and that eight ball is no hanger with the nine nearby. Oh, it looks like Jude is going to stop the cueball right where the six is. Yes, I think this is a smart decision. Try not to get too fancy here.

Now, all he has to do is use a little inside english on this seven ball, that's right english, and the cueball should hit the short rail and settle pretty flat on the eight. Any small angle will do.

Oh, I think he's gone a little too far. Okay, not a big deal. Just pocket the eight ball with a little draw and he should be fine. Yeah, perfect. Mark one for Rosenstock. Even money he keeps the cueball on the table with his upcoming break, any takers?"
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Nice TV voice Jude :)
 
soulcatcher said:
I am going to use a stun shot, or just a slight draw while banking the 2 cross side. Leaving myself even with or slightly closer to the rail as compared to the 3 ball. I shoot the 3 to top left pocket, softly, using a half tip high, to follow across table past the 4 to get a shot at the 4 in top side pocket. I want to have an angle to get the cue ball away from the 6, but not hook myself on the 8. I shoot another stun shot on the 4, just hard enough to get a little separation from the 6, and straight shot on the 6 in top left pocket. I shoot the 6, stop the cue ball, or cheat the pocket so I get the cue ball closer to the 8/9, but not blocked. Shoot the 7 with top right to get the cue ball off the left rail, to come above the 8/9, leaving myself close to straight on the 8 in the bottom left pocket. Depending on the angle, when I shoot the 8 into the bottom left pocket, I either draw back to shoot the 9 in the same pocket, or a soft stun to leave myself a 9 ball in top left pocket.

The toughest shot in the rack is getting from the 3 to the 4 with the correct angle. If I come up short on that, I still play the 4 in the side, but I draw the cueball to shoot the 6 in the top side also, the rest of the run should still be the same.
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To me this seems like an easier out... hell i might even be able to pull it off going this route LOL...
 
I'm with Soulcatcher on parts of the out he described.

I'm banking the 2 then coming out two rails for the 3 in the side. Being on the upper side of the 3, I like that better than the long shot in the corner, plus I have more control on getting the correct angle with either a straight draw or a strong draw shot.

I then shoot the 3 in the side, drawing to the bottom long rail to shoot the 4 in the same side as I potted the 3. If I get straight, I can stun and shoot the 6 in the top left corner, or, bump the 6 as Soulcatcher suggested if the angle is not quite there. Balance would be the same as Soulcatcher.
 
cuetable said:
Hi there:

Here is another layout for the aggressive 9 ball players here. It is from a video from a near perfect / very well executed performance.

Can you explain the run out in an exciting and clear voice?

Make sure you can be understood by a regular person who does not play pool.

Also, explain the difficult skills required for this game.




CueTable Help

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Ok. First I would bank the 2 into the side, playing the cue ball with a bit of follow. It would require a decent stroke so as to follow off the rail and get shape on the 3 in the opposing side.

Ideally, I would want to be a little short of perfect on the 3 so as to have an angle (even a small one). This would allow me to play the 3 with a little low left and slide down table to play the 4 in the same side.

Its gonna be tough, but I would almost like to travel a little TOO far getting shape on the 4. This way, I can play the 4 in the same side as the 3 and slide the cueball with just a little right english, up table about 3-5 inches. If I can pull this off, the rest of the out should be easy.

I'd play the 6 into the top left corner and use the small angle to slide out to a spot between the lower long rail and the 8 ball. Then, I'd play the 7 in the same corner and go one rail with a little follow to get just shy of perfect on the 8 ball (lower left corner pocket). This angle will allow you to play the 8 with almost center ball and leave you dead straight on the 9 in the top left corner.
 
For those that just joined us.......He just backcut that 2-ball in the upper corner pocket with ginsu like percision...This guy defys physics....How he controled the CB squirt with that much inside english is beyond me...but it was necessary for him to maintain CB position on that side of the table...

I don't understand what he is doing here...Oh wait now I see it...he has pocketed the 3 and brought the CB down toward the other side pocket for two way shot...Oh he made both the 4 & the 6 in one shot...Let me tell you that takes a bit of knowledge to see that the tangent line of the 4 to the side was just a bit off and the combo on the 6 was also just a bit off...but by cutting the 6 into the corner pocket put the 4 on a direct line into the side pocket....Now I see why he positioned himself there...He could stop the CB dead for a shot on the 7...

Whats this??? Oh wow...he really has that CB on a string today...Instead of taking the easy one or two rail out for a simple combo on the 8-9 he loaded up the CB with inside english and spun it out two rails just short of straight in on the 8...

I am going to go out on a limb and say that this match is over folks...A simple stun on the 8 and a stop on the 9-ball and we have a new.........WTF!!!! He just fired a 1 rail cross side bank on the 9-ball...How the hell did he avoid the double kiss!!!

Move over Efren...
 
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BRKNRUN said:
For those that just joined us.......He just backcut that 2-ball in the upper corner pocket with ginsu like percision...How he controled the CB squirt with that much inside english is beyond me...but it was necessary for him to maintain CB position on that side of the table...

I don't understand what he is doing here...Oh wait now I see it...he has pocketed the 3 and brought the CB down toward the other side pocket for two way shot...Oh he made both the 4 & the 6 in one shot...Let me tell you that takes a bit of knowledge to see that the tangent line of the 4 to the side was just a bit off and the combo on the 6 was also just a bit off...but by cutting the 6 into the corner pocket put the 4 on a direct line into the side pocket....Now I see why he positioned himself there...He could stop the CB dead for a shot on the 7...

Whats this??? Oh wow...he really has that CB on a string today...Instead of taking the easy one or two rail out for a simple combo on the 8-9 he loaded up the CB with inside english and spun it out two rails just short of straight in on the 8...

I am going to go out on a limb and say that this match is over folks...A simple stun on the 8 and a stop on the 9-ball and we have a new.........WTF!!!! He just fired a 1 rail cross side bank on the 9-ball...How the hell did he avoid the double kiss!!!

Move over Efren...
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BRKNRUN said:
For those that just joined us.......He just backcut that 2-ball in the upper corner pocket with ginsu like percision...This guy defys physics....How he controled the CB squirt with that much inside english is beyond me...but it was necessary for him to maintain CB position on that side of the table...

I don't understand what he is doing here...Oh wait now I see it...he has pocketed the 3 and brought the CB down toward the other side pocket for two way shot...Oh he made both the 4 & the 6 in one shot...Let me tell you that takes a bit of knowledge to see that the tangent line of the 4 to the side was just a bit off and the combo on the 6 was also just a bit off...but by cutting the 6 into the corner pocket put the 4 on a direct line into the side pocket....Now I see why he positioned himself there...He could stop the CB dead for a shot on the 7...

Whats this??? Oh wow...he really has that CB on a string today...Instead of taking the easy one or two rail out for a simple combo on the 8-9 he loaded up the CB with inside english and spun it out two rails just short of straight in on the 8...

I am going to go out on a limb and say that this match is over folks...A simple stun on the 8 and a stop on the 9-ball and we have a new.........WTF!!!! He just fired a 1 rail cross side bank on the 9-ball...How the hell did he avoid the double kiss!!!

Move over Efren...
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I'd start the same way, banking the two in the side and moving two rails for an angle on the three. Following off the three with some top left, coming another two rails to play the four in the side, bumping the six towards the same side pocket. Six in the side or the top right corner, and connect the dots after that.
 
Bank 2 with a little high right. Shoot 3 in the side, follow past the straight in line on the 4 in the bottom left. Shoot 4 in bottom left with center ball or a very little draw. 6 in top left stop. 7 in top left with a little high right. 8 in bottom left. Depending of angle the 9 can go in either left pockets.

Why play combos or difficult position as it appears the 4 will go in the bottom left pocket. Of course, my eyes suck so I may be wrong.
 
Runout

1) Bank the 2 in the side, go 3 rails for shape on the 3 in the side.
2) Shoot 3 in the side, drift down for slight back cut on the 4 in the corner.
3) Shoot 4 in hold the cue, for almost straight shot on 6. If slight forward cut, then go 1 rail to long rail and below 9 for the 7 in same corner.
If straight in on 6, then shoot in, stop cue, cut 7 in with inside english, come up for 8 in the bottom corner,
4) If below the 9, back cut the 7, and slide cue ball up with low left, gently coming off long rail for shape on the 8.
5) Shoot the 8 in the corner (bottom) and get shape for the 9 in the top corner.
 
edit: wasnt sure the would go in the botom left, so i played it for the center pocket.

there are many different ways to play it. the only medium hard shot is the first one.
 
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Video clip of Niels Feijen vs Johnny Archer in 2004 Mosconi Cup 9B

Thanks everyone for the great replies. I love the way people put more thoughts into their writing style (BRKNRUN's post has made my day, I kept coming back to read it.. :D :D :D )

Here is a video clip of what Niels Feijen did against Johnny Archer in 2004 Mosconi Cup 9B.

http://library.cuetable.com/showthread.php?t=574

At 6:00, Niels got a bit straight on the 3 ball, He pull off some stroke shot to get on the 4 ball. Quite something to watch.

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Please keep in mind the video doesn't stand for the correct answer for the layout. Please drop any suggestions / comments you may have to make this thread more enjoyable for everyone!
 
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