Thanx for that insight, sir.
...bumping it to remind everybody....watching is good enough for me.
When I play it at the pool hall.......
...you wouldn't want to hear THAT commentary either....
Sorry, I can't help it, I'm a chirper...
9ball World Championship, Doha, Qatar 2012
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Sorry, I can't help it, I'm a chirper...
What is the difference between sliding and skidding? Not being a horse's arse but I just don't know the difference as it relates to pool.
Thanks,
JoeyA
You and me both Joey. I was wondering the same thing. When your ball skids and you miss, I will tell you it's just a little slide. When my ball skids and I miss, it's a SKID!
P.S. I don't know if he'll win or not, but Ralf Souquet has to be the best pool player on the planet. The guy is close to perfect in every match he plays!
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Sorry, I can't help it, I'm a chirper...
I appreciate all the 'chirping' you've done in this thread....thanx
the commentator is a friend of mine, which I will speak to soon about this personally, they aren't allowed to speak in English due to the television airs in the arab region as it was intended to, I watch it on my TV, not on the stream, and thats why in our area its meant for the arab audience, but believe me I will encourage that they make an english commentary specially for the online stream if it is at all possible, but here's the thing I understand the commentary and believe me you don't want to hear it, with their commentary they are reaching or speaking to the very low/new level of audience to pool, most of the time they are talking about rules, why is he shooting the 2 ball, and not the 3 ball, and that he's shooting the 2 because its a rotation game going from 1 to 9 and if he shot the 3 its a foul, then explain what is a foul and what a player can do with a foul = ball in hand, then what is ball in hand. and that about why did he push out, or what is push out, or why is it a foul and not a legal shot, basically the rules, they aren't speaking about the situation at all whatsoever, they aren't giving the options of a player in a certain delimma and what he can and can't do, and if he does option A he'd be better for the ball, or the shot will be harder and what can happen if he shoot this shot or go 2 rail instead of 3 rails, you get my point, basicaly its nothing like accu-stats commentary, or billy incardona or grady mathews RIP.
as I said its boring for a good player who wants to learn more, they reaching out for people who know nothing about pool is what I'm trying to say, even tho I understand it, sometimes I just mute it, honestly, just so you guys don't feel bad about not understanding the commentary because even if you do, you'd mute it
have fun.
This is probably THE BEST WAY to get the masses watching pool. Maybe there could be two sets of commentary to choose from. I wonder if that is possible.
I have also wondered if a Internet chat screen could be established independently, for the hard-core sweators like ourselves.
You and me both Joey. I was wondering the same thing. When your ball skids and you miss, I will tell you it's just a little slide. When my ball skids and I miss, it's a SKID!
P.S. I don't know if he'll win or not, but Ralf Souquet has to be the best pool player on the planet. The guy is close to perfect in every match he plays!
He had a little tough time with his back in last 6 mos but he looks to be fine now. When Ralf is Ralf, bet on Ralf. It's worked for me.
He isnt gonna rattle, aint gonna choke and sure as hell isnt gonna commit a mental error. Hard to beat that. and i LOVE his 9 ball break.
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The snooker players call it a 'kick'...to me, they're all synonymous.
I think most of these bad hits come from starting a tournament with
brand new balls....they are too slippery when new, then as the play
goes on, they develop abrasive spots that create inconsistent contacts.
Then if the balls are cleaned with polish, it starts all over again.
The old English billiard players insisted on balls that were broken in for
two weeks before playing a big match...the carom angles are inconsistent
with new balls.
In the last SVB/Alex match, both players asked for the balls NOT to be
cleaned.
I use a ball cleaner with ZERO polish....most of the skids disappear.
The sliding or skidding that I see in the slow motion is something I would like to know how to control or adjust to.
In a recent tournament, I experienced similar problems with the object ball skidding or sliding. If someone can explain the difference between an object ball skidding and sliding I will stop using both...
There is not a lot you can do about it, Joey.
But cleaning the cue-ball with your cue towel helps, every time you can
pick up whitey, eg: before you break and when you get ball-in-hand.
And changing your choice of shots helps....using draw shots more gives
you cleaner hits....back-spin on the cue-ball reduces 'cling'.
I think the object ball skids because of how the cue ball contacts with the object ball. In other words if the cue ball is skidding (stun shot) when it contacts the object ball, the object ball tends to skid, until it achieves normal roll. If the cue ball is rolling when it hits the object ball, the object ball doesn't skid.
Another thing I have noticed is that when you dig into the cue ball for a draw shot, and if your cue ball jumps a little, then on contact, the object ball jumps. So it's all about how the cue ball is transferring energy to the object ball.
Another reason to skid is when you poke at the cue ball instead of a good follow through.
I'm not so sure about that. I know that a dirty cue ball (chalk, oils, etc) will help create skid; at least that's the theory behind some skids. But I have to think there is something else going on and I think it mostly involves the slick surface of the cloth is arid conditions. Slick cloth can help skid even in humid climates like where I live so in arid conditions skid may be heightened.
I wonder if the cue ball hopping on the way to the object ball puts a little pinch on the object ball sometimes and give the OB a new unintended path...
Maybe one of the top players can explain it to us. Or maybe Ralf will just take that "secret" into his retirement. :smile:
Many players will disagree, but I feel static electricity is another reason
for skids in dry conditions.
We discussed this at a snooker tournament years ago, and we came up
with 7 different reasons for 'skids' or 'kicks'.
When a ref changed his nylon gloves for cotton gloves, a lot of skids
stopped happening in a Jimmy White match.
TheThaiger
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There's a difference between skids and kicks. The "kick" on a snooker table - where the OB jumps when hit with the CB - is very different to the "skid" on a pool table, where the OB 'aquaplanes' for a few inches before starting to roll normally.
Interestingly, there are very few skids on a snooker table and very few kicks on a pool table, and I don't know why. Either way, and either table, chalk is unlikely to be the primary cause. I see skids A LOT on pool tables when played with new, competition quality balls and cloth.
Good stuff here! This man knows of what he speaks. Ever notice how Ralf puts the cue ball in his pocket and cleans it before every break shot?
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That is VERY interesting!
