A. Fisher still #1

[Marvel]

Its way too early to tout jasmin as one of the best players of all time.lets see if we even remember her name in 5 to 6 years.

Well, it was prediction, and it's propably 100:1 that Jasmin will be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, compared to idea that she would be forgotten in 5-6 years. Like it was said, only time will tell, and if nothing dramatical will happen, it's quite obvious what time will tell about this girl.

She just qualified for the IPT World Open..


And for the original topic, I think Karen Corr is definitely at the same level as Allison, and personally I think she is even better.
Karen is very sweet as person, if she would be more flamboyant (which I'm glad she's not), she would be recognized as the greatest female player.

Karen's record in tournaments where men involved, is far better than Allison's, I believe.
She's won Joss tour, played great in KOTH in Orlando last Dec. (won Archer 8-3, Parica, Van Den Berg..) and is now doing some great job in Turning Stone, having won all her matches for now.

 

[sjm]

......Jasmin will be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, compared to idea that she would be forgotten in 5-6 years. Like it was said, only time will tell, and if nothing dramatical will happen, it's quite obvious what time will tell about this girl. She just qualified for the IPT World Open..

As you note, Jasmin is hardly a one hit wonder. Although her great victory at the BCA Open, in which she beat each of the Top 4 ranked players on the WPBA Tour, remains her crowning achievement, her resume at age twenty also includes:

1) a gold medal in nine ball at the World Games
2) a third and fifth place finsih at the WPA Women's world championships, 3) several titles at the Women's european Championships
4) a fifith place finish in the Men's world Straight Pool Championships
5) two top ten finishes in the only two WPBA events she played prior to the 2006 BCA Open.

What I see here is sustained excellence. It's not easy to say how good Jasmin will be, but it's tough not to take note of the comment made by Thorsten Hohmann during his online AZB chat last Monday. He made it clear that he already considers Jasmin the best female pool player in the world.

 

[catscradle]

why not let jasmine win more then 1 tourny before you make her number 1 in the world...theres alot of players that win 1 tourny and dont get there again

I've noticed that on this forum. Everytime a new person wins a tournament on the WPBA tour, a thread pops up here asking if Allison is on her way out and if the new person is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then the person who won the tournament slides back in to the pack and once more the winning rotates between Allison and Karen.

 

[catscradle]

A little off subject, but this thread is a good place to mention what Allison is charging for fees at the APA events going on in Vegas right now.

A good friend of mine (the same guy who is looking to stroke more smoothly!) has signed up for a one hour lesson with Allison for $250.

I respect Allison's abilities tremendously, but that is a ridiculous rate. A couple of years ago a friend of mine got a couple of hours from Earl Strickland when he was around this area, he only charged 75.00 as I recall. BTW, my friend said he wasn't a bad instructor.

 

[onepocketchump]

I respect Allison's abilities tremendously, but that is a ridiculous rate. A couple of years ago a friend of mine got a couple of hours from Earl Strickland when he was around this area, he only charged 75.00 as I recall. BTW, my friend said he wasn't a bad instructor.

Oh, I don't know. What would be a good rate for lessons from Tiger Woods? How about tennis lessons from Pete Sampras?

I think Earl's rates were too little compared to his status. Getting Allison to yourself for $250 an hour seems about right to me.

Kelly Fisher charges $75 an hour and has plenty of bookings and happy students. They must be happy since they keep coming back.

Maybe for $250 an hour the student will pay attention and actually internalize the lesson.

John

 

[sjm]

A little off subject, but this thread is a good place to mention what Allison is charging for fees at the APA events going on in Vegas right now.

A good friend of mine (the same guy who is looking to stroke more smoothly!) has signed up for a one hour lesson with Allison for $250.

Allison Fisher is entitled to every penny of it, probably even more. If you consider this in the context of what she gets for an appearance (I'm guessing here, but I'll say $5,000), it is a very good value.

 

[catscradle]

Oh, I don't know. What would be a good rate for lessons from Tiger Woods? How about tennis lessons from Pete Sampras?

More than they're worth AS INSTRUCTORS no doubt.

I think Earl's rates were too little compared to his status. Getting Allison to yourself for $250 an hour seems about right to me.

Kelly Fisher charges $75 an hour and has plenty of bookings and happy students. They must be happy since they keep coming back.

Do you think Allison's instruction is worth 3 1/3 times that of Kelly's or of Randy's or of Scott Lee's instruction. The point is she may be worth it in terms of a person being able to say "I got instructions from Allison Fisher", but she is not going to give instruction per say that is worth 250.00 per. She may be worth it in terms of being able to get 250/hr doing something else if she wasn't spending her time instruction, but her instruction is NOT worth that much.

Maybe for $250 an hour the student will pay attention and actually internalize the lesson.

John

I doubt strongly that spending more will cause somebody to pay attention more. Matter of fact they may be so star-struck that they pay attention less.

More power to her if she can get it, but I think anybody spending 250 per to get instructions from Allison is being foolish. Let me see 1 hour instruction from Allison, 3 hrs 20 mins from Kelly; hmmm, which is the better deal?
Steve.

 

[StormHotRod300]

I had this conversation a few months ago with a couple of guys at the pool hall.

Where would Karen Corr and Allison Fisher be ranked if Jean Balukas was still playing?

I'm still a firm believer if Jean Balukas began playing again, she would put a lil wrinkle in everyones party.

 

[sjm]

I had this conversation a few months ago with a couple of guys at the pool hall.

Where would Karen Corr and Allison Fisher be ranked if Jean Balukas was still playing?

I'm still a firm believer if Jean Balukas began playing again, she would put a lil wrinkle in everyones party.

I saw the entire careers of all three up close. Jean Balukas never played nine ball at a higher level than either Fisher or Corr. Hence, on the surface, the answer to your question is that Fisher and Corr would be #1 and #2 even if Balukas were around. Nonetheless, there is a dynamic that needs consideration, for if Fisher and Corr had been in their prime at the same time as Jean, it is likely that Jean would have been pushed to a higher level than she ever attained playing nine ball. Judged from that vantage point, Jean probably would have been #1.

 

[catscradle]

I saw the entire careers of all three up close. Jean Balukas never played nine ball at a higher level than either Fisher or Corr. Hence, on the surface, the answer to your question is that Fisher and Corr would be #1 and #2 even if Balukas were around. Nonetheless, there is a dynamic that needs consideration, for if Fisher and Corr had been in their prime at the same time as Jean, it is likely that Jean would have been pushed to a higher level than she ever attained playing nine ball. Judged from that vantage point, Jean probably would have been #1.

A question unfortunately we'll never know the answer to. Along with would Willie beat Efren?