A long comment on "aiming systems" ...
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Yes I have experiemented with Shane's system and I like it well enough, but now I am on to CJ Wiley's "perspective system" along with a new snooker stance and snooker grip.
John loves being my spokesmodel
I've never read anything that indicated Mosconi used an aiming system. He taught some very rudimentary systems in his books and on tape, but I think these were just to get the novice pointed in the right direction (lol, sometimes I crack myself up).
Lou Figueroa
John loves being my spokesmodel
I've never read anything that indicated Mosconi used an aiming system. He taught some very rudimentary systems in his books and on tape, but I think these were just to get the novice pointed in the right direction (lol, sometimes I crack myself up).
Lou Figueroa
He used masking tape in his instructional book.
If they made a 1 1/8 wide masking tape with a center line, that might be of help.
Yes I have experiemented with Shane's system and I like it well enough, but now I am on to CJ Wiley's "perspective system" along with a new snooker stance and snooker grip.
When do you graduate to Efren's Patama System ?
TheThaiger
Banned
No? Then how come I can go to my local video store or supermarket and buy DVDs on anything from golf to judo for a fiver then? They have nothing on pool - for five or fifty.
A man spending an hour talking to a table can't be expensive. Your fury video is a slightly different kettle of fish. No one would make their videos if they didn't expect to make money from them, and they will charge what they think the market can bear.
Ghosts. I am afraid of ghosts.
You won't believe anything and the point it that it doesn't matter if you believe it or not.
I have already demonstrated that it works as have plenty of others. The point is that these systems are not going away despite your best efforts to denigrate them.
So what you think does not make a bit of difference. Do you think all your words on here make a difference?
This is a world where people believe that homeopathy works. It's a world where people KILL each other over beliefs in invisible mythical gods. So here we have a method of approaching a pool shot which can be tested. So why would anyone who is REALLY interested care whether YOU think it works or not?
As Mikyjary said all you do by being negative is to continue the conversation.
I listened to a story about the how the Glock became the weapon of choice in America. One of the reasons that it became so popular was that opponents of it claimed that it could not be detected by airport scanners. Gun control advocates went on a huge campaign to have the Glock banned from the USA based on this premise. Suddenly there was national debate about the Glock. All the way up to Congress which debated passing a law to ban the Glock from being sold in the USA. In the end it was proven that airport detectors could EASILY detect a Glock.
But the publicity generated by that negativity only got millions of people interested in the Glock and sales went through the roof. The US sales office for Glock said that they got hundreds of millions of dollars in free publicity for the Glock that they never could have afforded to pay for on their own.
So keep it up. The more contrary you are, especially when you haven't tried the systems and don't intend to, then the more you keep "systems" in front of more people and of those people that means more of them will be interested in trying them, if only to see if you are right or not. Thanks. It's appreciated.
If you want to see how the systems work then check out videos of Stevie Moore and Darren Appleton.
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I am in a long line waiting to be called up.
Can you help? I will be willing to sweep and vacuum your shop every day for the next two years for this information. I can do this work without saying one word as well. I can also be sworn to secrecy and am known to keep my word. :bow-down:
I gave you a site which sells sports videos of all kinds. You can see the prices. That your local video store has some in the bargain bin means nothing to me. DVDs are cheap, as were records, usb drives, cassettes, etc....
You are confusing the storage medium with the production costs. You have no idea what the production costs are clearly. They can be as little as the cost of one home camera with no editing or as much as multi-high def pro cameras with skilled operators and several skilled editors in addition to the time needed to get all the hours of footage to produce that single hour of instruction.
John can i post my old video..lol..i think i scored perfect on my 8 footer.
Im also sure i can do it on my 9 footer. One thing though im not a naysayer.Does this bet still go fotr me.
No not for you. You're not a naysayer. I want to see the diehards who claim that these systems don't work, can't work, only work with lots of feel, etc..... do the test and show us how they do.
If it's all feel then it's the best feeling thing I have ever used. I guess you are now on some kind of 'my system is better than your system' kick???
I changed it to indicate a paraphrase. You are welcome to post the exact quote if you like. I think I accurately represented what you said closely enough.
Now the system you personally use and we will call it the JB way since there is no name for it and you only use the ctel. Would you agree or disagree that you need feel for every shot you personally take on the table and if you disagree, please explain and if you want you get spiderwebcom too back you up or help you out. When ever anyone is ready we can really talk about these systems, even though you guys are all very smart and im dumb. Take your time you will need it and i will be back later tonight to see if you will admit the truth or not.
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TheThaiger
Banned
Ghosts don't show up on camera, John.
They do terrify many asians, however, but, not having been to China, I'm not sure what they do to the Chinese. I'll have to ask my Chinese buddy and use google...
From your response, you're clearly a man of science, so it puzzles me that you won't do a simple video of you playing pool. You do a lot of talking about aiming systems, so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a bit of tangible proof before making my mind up on the subject. I'm extremely open minded on it btw, but I've not seen anything so far that can be proven to be different than any other way of playing.
Your refusal (and attack) makes me think of this:
http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html
Im a ghost buster,throw some green my way maybe a twenty and i will send you what you want..for my time.:thumbup:
Don't know why you are going off on me because I have never said a cross word to you.
Here is how I do it. I line up and pivot to center and take the shot. There are a lot of shots where I am in the blind so to speak where I am not sure if the shot line is right because that shot is something backwards and I just take the line produced by the system. So I wouldn't know where the feel is coming in there because I don't feel right nor do a feel wrong. I simply don't know and take the line as given. I focus on my delivery at that point.
I think that I do pretty much the same thing for each shot and it works for me. So if you have a better way then I am open to it like I am open to everything.
I'd be happy to be even more accurate than I am now.
I will pay you $20 to play the ghost. But you have to promise to tell us what "system" you are using so that Thaiger and others can't claim otherwise.
Excellent point....
But the aiming fanatics will just agree with you and say their fundamentals are off due to old age. When they aim, they are using an aiming system! :embarrassed2:
There's no reasoning with the irrational. Aiming systems is a RELIGION.
Ghosts don't show up on camera, John.
They do terrify many asians, however, but, not having been to China, I'm not sure what they do to the Chinese. I'll have to ask my Chinese buddy and use google...
From your response, you're clearly a man of science, so it puzzles me that you won't do a simple video of you playing pool. You do a lot of talking about aiming systems, so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a bit of tangible proof before making my mind up on the subject. I'm extremely open minded on it btw, but I've not seen anything so far that can be proven to be different than any other way of playing.
Your refusal (and attack) makes me think of this:
http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html
I'm just curious and I don't speak for John but if John makes a full video of playing the ghost racing to 7, will you do the same and post yours?
Ghosts don't show up on camera, John.
They do terrify many asians, however, but, not having been to China, I'm not sure what they do to the Chinese. I'll have to ask my Chinese buddy and use google...
From your response, you're clearly a man of science, so it puzzles me that you won't do a simple video of you playing pool. You do a lot of talking about aiming systems, so I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a bit of tangible proof before making my mind up on the subject. I'm extremely open minded on it btw, but I've not seen anything so far that can be proven to be different than any other way of playing.
Your refusal (and attack) makes me think of this:
http://www.skepdic.com/randi.html
I have video of myself playing that I could upload right now. But it wouldn't prove anything to you that will change your mind. What you don't understand is that I don't care if you change your mind.
What you think of aiming systems means nothing to me. You are simply conversation fodder to keep the discussion going. For that I thank you. Because without it the discussions die off.
How do I know? I started a group to discuss the aiming methods and it died soon afterward. People want to be here where the audience is.
Do this for an experiment if you don't believe me.
Next time there is an aiming thread you and all the naysayers stay out of it. Watch it die quickly. You guys keep it alive just as yeasayers keep this one alive.
I already know that no matter how good I play it won't change your stance. If I play bad you say that the system does not work and if I play great then you say it's because of other factors. So your goal is not to find common ground, not to attempt to understand. Your goal is simply to pick at me and others who like these systems for your own entertainment.
As Lou said and I paraphrase, 'if Ronnie turned up at your local and told you aiming systems were the best thing ever you'd hand him a pint and say get off the drugs Ronnie.' So with that premise nothing I say or do will have the least effect on your opinion.