A main problem: Nothing for help-resistant ppl

Ratta

Ratta

Hearing the balls.....
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Sorry here for my last postig. Next time i will think two-times before i will post something if i m a bit upset. I deleted the text.

lg
Ingo
 
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Ingo,
Sounds like you are a little frustrated this morning. As someone who has worked with hundreds of students, I can only remind you that every student is an individual. Some will be like a sponge, soaking up as much knowledge as possible. Some will be like a rock, unable to absorb much of anything. Most will be somewhere in between.
The best, and most successful students will be open minded enough to listen, learn, and apply what they learn. They can set aside their ego in an effort to improve.

If you have a cup of old cold coffee, you must empty it out before you can pour in some hot fresh coffee.

Not everyone will be a good serious student. I can spend 3 days in class with a group of students, and usually be able to tell you at the end of class which students will actually use their new found knowledge to improve, and which ones will be scratching their head 6 months later, wondering why they haven't gotten any better.

As the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Enjoy your weekend.

Steve
 
Ratta said:
Hi all *addicted to pool* friends,
Like almost everyone knows, I usualy try to share my knowledge with everyone-and I also enjoy to make conversation here with almost all of you-may you re the guy who asks for help, or perhaps guys I m still looking up to like persons who made their hobby becoming a passion to teach about billiards. I enjoy to be allowed to share my experiences here on the instructor-forum even if I am not a professional-instructor like many here-and still thxful getting input and helpful advices from them even if they just may correct me !
Having my first coffee this morning a point came, where I was suddenly (again) really a bit upset. A guy or whoever asking for help-may it be in the main forum or in the instructor forum. Usualy he get s a ton of help here on this amazing different forums on AZB. But what is contra-productive from my point of view is, that sometimes *un-experienced* wanna-be s (without name here!) are telling stupid tales without seeing the main problem in most situations. This is the key and the most important thing a qualified instructor or even an experienced player with much knowledge has:
He or she is able to *DETECT*.
Player A writes: I m missing shots like *diagram etc*. And immediately adventure-like comments and advices are coming up. How can they write in one sentence what is going wrong..even without any *if* or *but if*.
How I wrote: I started usualy writing this in a thread about “something” (very constructive thread with postings from very knowledgeable guys like Geno, Steve, Scott etc, etc, ). Here it was about the same procedure….missing shots (somehow). Experienced guys, or professionals, too trying to help the way it should be: With experience! They try to detect the main reason by asking or just by numbering several points he has to follow to *kill* basic failures/mistakes.
Sentences like “I know that all- I worked on it-but instructor A or B or C is too stupid, just willing to earn money as much as possible” – Even if I read something like this- just reading it from thousands miles a way im close to explode. For sure there can be moments where two people can t just come together, for what reason ever. Nothin bad-this happens. But if it is about things which are totally clear- let me choose here for example the fundamentals, you ll see soon if you have an absolutely help-resistant human- who s always searching mistakes but never checking himself and not being seriously to himself (or better unable to be seriously to himself!) I think those type of students can make you crazy-and you must be an extremely experienced guy and human to handle this without getting upset. Right here on the forum are many examples…..where I just can say: sad! A guy gets informations how to work something out, in best case getting lessons how to create and control himself- and a bit later you ll see another posting where he s just asking the same again in other words or for something stupid (sorry) new again. Imo just hoping to receive the holy gral without being forced to work on his own and spend the fu…ing table time EVERYONE HAS TO SPEND to become a bit better. If this not happens (lol, also still looking for the gral^^), the time came to holler at ppl who have excellent reputation and telling bullshit about em.
So no matter what kind of mistake, no matter what kind of shot you re missing, no matter if it rains outside and no matter for sure if you have a physical problem or mental problem-
THE PROBLEM IS ALWAYS YOURSELF <----!!
This the reason I love the game-you re always the one who fails-noone else. As soon you got it and accepted it, you ll become a better player. The helpful people here on AZB, the qualified instructors and the experienced pro s here spending their free-time and hobby with all of you. Giving it free to you!

So stop talking-start learning to learn ! And also start learning to say “Thx Sir (or Mam^^)”
THEN you ll start for sure being a better student and perhaps learnt something for you whole life!

Lg from overseas, and sorry if I was a bit rude in the text-and if my low English hurt you sometimes 
Ingo
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Maybe I haven't had enough coffe this morning, but I found this post to be totally unreadable.

What was the main point?
 
DelaWho??? said:
Maybe I haven't had enough coffe this morning, but I found this post to be totally unreadable.

What was the main point?
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The main point is there are folks that ask questions - receive excellent answers and when after 5 tries the problem doesn't go away they look for another answer, maybe thinking some key point was left out. After all you must understand, professional instructors are only after the cash and purposely leave stuff out here in hopes to score with a new paying customer.;)
 
Steve,
you re right- will think 2 times before i ll post something again if i m upset or frustrated. Thx for your comment anyway.

3kushn,
yes- you understood what i meant.

DelaWho,
sent a PM

lg

Ingo
 
Ingo, is this a case of "posting in the thinking position?" :p

Just kidding. We all have our moments when what we type doesn't exactly come out the way we should present it. At least on this forum we have the edit function to go back and correct (or remove) it. Just so long as someone hasn't quoted it first! :D

Have a great day, and thanks for your helpful comments here on AZB.
 
Thank you my friend- I really enjoy it.

Steve was totally right in his response. And 3kushn nailed it and described it how my opinion was/is in the edited thread.

lg
Ingo
 
Tom...IMO, it's more about them not getting the answer they WANT to hear. I guess they figure that if they keep asking, they might get the answer they really want to hear...which must be some kind of 'magic bullit', that us instructors will only give out to "paying students"...which, of course, is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

3kushn said:
The main point is there are folks that ask questions - receive excellent answers and when after 5 tries the problem doesn't go away they look for another answer, maybe thinking some key point was left out. After all you must understand, professional instructors are only after the cash and purposely leave stuff out here in hopes to score with a new paying customer.;)
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Scott Lee said:
Tom...IMO, it's more about them not getting the answer they WANT to hear. I guess they figure that if they keep asking, they might get the answer they really want to hear...which must be some kind of 'magic bullit', that us instructors will only give out to "paying students"...which, of course, is ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I don't know..... I saw the spiral notebook labeled $uper pool $ecret$ in your bag when I had my lesson with you......


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DelaWho??? said:
I don't know..... I saw the spiral notebook labeled $uper pool $ecret$ in your bag when I had my lesson with you......


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That book is all part of the hustle. I saw it too but he never opened it.

Never forget, these guys are professionals, we all know they can't play a lick, but they all know how to get the cash.

Scott how many lessons does it take to get a peek inside THE BOOK?
 
3kushn said:
That book is all part of the hustle. I saw it too but he never opened it.

Never forget, these guys are professionals, we all know they can't play a lick, but they all know how to get the cash.

Scott how many lessons does it take to get a peek inside THE BOOK?
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Every student in pool school gets their very own copy!!
However, they must sign a contract agreeing not to divulge the secrets to others under penalty of being stuffed into a cue case and being shipped off to Siberia by way of tramp steamer!

Steve
 
Hm,

now i think the discussion going somewhere....and asking myself why ?
Wasn t my idea that some of you having trouble now.

:sorry:
 
Still wondering for what reason 3kushn now hollering at Scott--
but i just can say from what i saw that no matter who, is it Steve, Scott or even Randy, Spidey, M. Avlon .....--each of them send me answers to my questions- per email, here in the forum etc.
From this point i have no clue why 3kushn is writing these words.

Furthermore i can t remember that i saw a posting without a sense from these pro-instructors.

lg
Ingo
 
I think it's simply a little sarcasm. I don't think Scott has spent any time with anyone who felt he was holding back anything.

Steve
 
Tom and Dan...You only had but to ASK, to peek in The Book! LMAO Speaking seriously (even though you guys are kidding), I don't know any good instructors who try to 'hide' information from their students. On the contrary, I want my students to take the info and run with it! The real payback for any teacher is how well the student assimilates the knowledge, to their own advantage. As Steve said, some students do well with it...others do not. If someone doesn't utilize the knowledge they're given, that is rarely the teacher's fault.

FTR, both 3kushn and Dela Who??? were good students, who were able to benefit from the information they received!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

3kushn said:
Scott how many lessons does it take to get a peek inside THE BOOK?
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What? I'm paying for instruction? You mean I have to actually listen, learn, maybe ask a few questions, and even ... *gasp* ... practice these new techniques I've just learned?

I thought I paid you guys and just immediately got better, don't you wave a magic wand around and increase my skill automatically? What a rip off!
 
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