Ok here is a basic idea for a game that i have been thinking of. I know you all hate 9 ball, but it is not all bad. The difficulty lies in making shape on only 1 ball at a time with 7 balls in the way to start off (ball on break). Negative (IMHO): 9 on the snap ends it, the game gets easier as you go, to easy to run tables, etc.....etc.... Rotation!!!! errr sans exclamation marks. This games retarded because it punishes strong play in early parts of the game and it gets easier when you get to the higher point balls. My solution? A combination of the 2 games. 15 ball is what ill call it. Basicly all the balls are racked 1 up front, 2 and 3 on each corner, 5,10,15 racked in the middle spots. All balls played in rotation, same basic 9 ball rules as far as flukes go, push outs, etc. Here is the twist. No single ball wins the game for you. The 5,10, and 15 are 'game balls'. Each of them is worth 1 point. 2 points wins the game, simple as that. If 1 player gets the 5 and the 10 the balls are racked and its game over. Also you can still win the game on the break, just alot tougher. What do you guys think about this? I think its a great game. Let me know