A question for the instructors here

[goettlicher]

Hi Guys.

I sat back and just watched all the comments as they were posted. I'm impressed with all the answers to the question.

The real question is; what are proper fundamentals? And for whom?

Scott said it right. George hit it on the head. Blackjack summed it up perfectly.

In pool there is no cookie cutter that will work for all. Same for all sports.

When I see an error (like the C-wing) I simply ask myself, can this person play better with out the C-wing????? Many times it's something else that stops him from getting better and that's my job to figure out.

If a player moves his cue in a straight line to his target every time and does so even under pressure, leave his stroke alone. Work on what's wrong.

Mike, this is a GREAT Thread....thanks....SPF=randyg

 

[Scott Lee]

I'd just like to give props to George for being the first poster on any pool forum that I know of who not only used "plateaued" correctly in a sentence but spelled it rite too.

pj
chgo

Fortunately, George, as an author, also knows how to spell "right"...as in correct! Sorry Pat, couldn't resist!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Scott:
Fortunately, George, as an author, also knows how to spell "right"...as in correct! Sorry Pat, couldn't resist!

At least you noticed. Guess this isn't the right room for spelling jokes.

BTW, George is also a college professor and a denizen of Chris's.

pj <- just wanted to use "denizen" in the same thread as "plateaued"
chgo

 

[mikepage]

previously, Pat said,

I'd just like to give props to George for being the first poster on any pool forum that I know of who not only used "plateaued" correctly in a sentence but spelled it rite too.

At least you noticed. Guess this isn't the right room for spelling jokes.

BTW, George is also a college professor and a denizen of Chris's.

pj <- just wanted to use "denizen" in the same thread as "plateaued"
chgo

I noticed too Pat.

But when I saw "rite" was misspelled, I expected it to be misused as well. I figured you were thinking "right" as an adverb should be "rightly." Then I looked it up and discovered you actually did it corect. So I figured you must have just been a little tired this morning.

 

[pooltchr]

correctly????
Steve

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I figured you were thinking "right" as an adverb should be "rightly." Then I looked it up and discovered you actually did it corect.

LOL (I noticed, Mike).

Since I used the rite word rong for the double joke, does that mean I got three jokes into one word and still hold the AZB record? (Or do I have to tell the truth?)

pj
chgo

 

[HollyWood]

Hoppe side arm

How about Hoppe for example Best read ever from billiard Encyclopedia mark

 

[Neil]

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[3kushn]

Not necessarily Skeeziks...a player could be consistent, but with a poor process...meaning that they setup and deliver the same way, but make the same errors over and over, causing misses. Repeatability means I can deliver the same accurate stroke over and over. Sustainability means I can come with that same stroke, under pressure, on the first try. If we got three tries we'd all be Efren! Now, an accurate, repeatable stroke will definitely enhance your consistently higher level of play!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Not an instructor here but just want to offer something.
In my business I call on manufacturers that brag of their ISO 9000 or 9001 certification. Most people think this Guarantees ?High Quality? product or service but in reality all this guarantees is a "Consistent Process" Therefore if your process produces junk then every unit will consistently be Junk.

So considering the Chicken Wing issue. The mans process is consistently good regardless of what it looks like. As Mike did he corrected some other issues that he felt would help the mans game. Give this some time to sink in and if there's still no improvement then maybe try to correct the chicken wing but only if you?re absolutely sure it?s an issue.

Final comment: We're all trying to improve. I'm sure Willie Hoppe was always trying to improve. Would we start with correcting Willie's arm position?

 

[MastersMaster]

I'd just like to give props to George for being the first poster on any pool forum that I know of who not only used "plateaued" correctly in a sentence but spelled it rite too.

pj
chgo

Before you start passing out grades for spelling, you may might want to work on your spelling Professor Johnson. In this example of usage, rite is spelled as right. Work on the punctuation too.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Before you start passing out grades for spelling, you may might want to work on your spelling Professor Johnson. In this example of usage, rite is spelled as right. Work on the punctuation too.

Yep, rong wroom.

Sorry, punctuation jokes would be too deep even for me.

pj
chgo

 

[Snoogi]

Great scald..we used it so often in chats..I didn't even know until I checked the dictionary..rite is totally a different meaning from right..

 

[Mark Avlon]

Back to Mike's Hypothetical Question

There isn't enough information in Mike's hypothetical question to give a complete answer, since each student is different. They have different personalities, goals, motivations, and different levels of willingness to learn and try new things, etc.

As an instructor, I feel it is my obligation to discuss all areas that could be improved with the player, but that doesn't mean that I'd suggest that the player correct them. Being aware of the issue and the possible problems it can create, and knowing how to correct it is very important regardless if the player wants or can make the changes at the time. This is like a mechanic telling a customer that came in for a tune up, that their breaks are worn and the break pads should be replaced. It's not a problem today, but it might be tomorrow.

I will also let them know that changes made to correct the issue might cause their game to slip, and that in pressure situations; the issue is likely to reoccur.

If they are willing to try correcting the issues, as the hypothetical player is, we would give it a try. Depending on how well the player accepts the changes, I might encourage them to continue working on it, or I might suggest that they leave it alone for now, and address it if it becomes an issue.