Keeping this up for a while!
Thanks everyone for your time!
Petros
Thanks everyone for your time!
Petros
A small Tragedy...
- Thread starter Petros Andrikop
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update
Ok..after poking around inside postal system I have been told from my higher up that it is probaly in customs....they do not always notify the postal service and he said he has seen a few of them take well over a month to come out of customs and then well see a scan "cleared customs" if it does. It's definately not in the hands of the postal service though. He said there is no way to contact customs to inquire about the package.
Ok..after poking around inside postal system I have been told from my higher up that it is probaly in customs....they do not always notify the postal service and he said he has seen a few of them take well over a month to come out of customs and then well see a scan "cleared customs" if it does. It's definately not in the hands of the postal service though. He said there is no way to contact customs to inquire about the package.
Thank you for the update.
Still this remains totally unfair for the both the shipper and the receiver.
Don't they have the right to know where is their package and what is going on about it?
Also this does not explain why in most cases there is notification from usps that an item is "in customs", "being processed" before the next notification appears "cleared customs". In those cases (the majority) there is indeed communication b/w usps and customs that an item has entered customs and is in the process of clearing them..
Still this remains totally unfair for the both the shipper and the receiver.
Don't they have the right to know where is their package and what is going on about it?
Also this does not explain why in most cases there is notification from usps that an item is "in customs", "being processed" before the next notification appears "cleared customs". In those cases (the majority) there is indeed communication b/w usps and customs that an item has entered customs and is in the process of clearing them..
This is very unfortunate, but guess this shows there's always a slight risk involved when handling international shipments. I sincerely hope this is resolved soon, Petros.
Yes because here they require an original invoice proving you are the original buyer of the item you wish to insure. With most of the cues traded it's not easy to provide such an invoice and I didn't think anytime of asking a cuemaker to provide me with one which I'm not even sure if he would for a cue that he made years ago and some guy on the other side of the planet has it in a condition that the cuemaker knows nothing about..
Besides the cuemaker cannot have proof that I truly have the cue in my possesion..
If I had an invoice I would have definately insured it, it only costs a few bucks and I have a feeling this would add extra pressure on EMS to really look for the package..
Petros
Besides the cuemaker cannot have proof that I truly have the cue in my possesion..
If I had an invoice I would have definately insured it, it only costs a few bucks and I have a feeling this would add extra pressure on EMS to really look for the package..
Petros
It doesn't matter if you insured the package or not if customs has it. What you did by shipping a cue with ivory is illegal and you are a criminal, you have no rights to your cue back and you definitely are not going to get paid for it if it goes to fish and wildlife. I have seen the process first hand and it cost me over $500 in fines on top of seeing a $4000 cue go to the government. I wish you the best in any case, but if Fish and Wildlife gets the cue it's over.
Doug
Well what can I say..
If I was fully aware of US laws I would be more careful, I thought US laws concerned ivory export, not import. Besides, I don't make buisness with cues, I just change/trade my personal playing cue from time to time..
Also please allow me to express that "criminal" is a bit too much of charactersing this situation, I never meant any harm..
For 15 years I have been sending cues to USA and recently sent a second package which passed and reached the destination in time..
All these cues were processed through US customs, including the last one..
No authority ever contacted me about anything, they have my full data.
Something else happened in this case, when a package is being processed by customs it shows up in tracking..
If I was fully aware of US laws I would be more careful, I thought US laws concerned ivory export, not import. Besides, I don't make buisness with cues, I just change/trade my personal playing cue from time to time..
Also please allow me to express that "criminal" is a bit too much of charactersing this situation, I never meant any harm..
For 15 years I have been sending cues to USA and recently sent a second package which passed and reached the destination in time..
All these cues were processed through US customs, including the last one..
No authority ever contacted me about anything, they have my full data.
Something else happened in this case, when a package is being processed by customs it shows up in tracking..
Sad news Andros
I know of a shipper geting a lost cue back from USPS 6 months after he shipped it. It turned up locally. The parcel never left the local branch and one day a clerk said I have something here for you I think! It was a cue he had shipped to Canada.
Good luck,
Nick
I know of a shipper geting a lost cue back from USPS 6 months after he shipped it. It turned up locally. The parcel never left the local branch and one day a clerk said I have something here for you I think! It was a cue he had shipped to Canada.
Good luck,
Nick
The "criminal" term is what was used by the fish and wildlife agent about me, I'm just relaying how they feel about these situations. I sincerely wish you the best and hope you or the other party gets the cue back.
Doug
Looks like there is alot of ivory in the cue. If it was confiscated by US wildlife, it may be lost forever. I hope you don't get charged with importing ivory into the US.
Glen
Finally read your post - my condolences if the cue is lost. I once had a cue take 3-weeks to go cross country and it was shipped via USPS Express Mail! During the 3-weeks, there was NO tracking updates.
HOWEVER, if your package (cue) is actually in Customs, and it has IVORY, then it's not "lost" but neither you nor the buyer will ever see it again.
This is NOT US Law - it's an International Law (CITES) governing the Import AND Export of Ivory, which well over 100 countries have signed and participate in.
I'm pretty sure all European and Russian Federation countries have signed CITES. CITES basically bans the import or export of any and all ivory, except that which is certified to be "pre-ban", aka pre-CITES, or 1972.
To ALL the peeps that are going to chime in (and they ALWAYS do) telling us of the dozens/hundreds of cues they've shipped with ivory, it's called LUCK.
US Customs conducts more inspections than most other counties, so more stuff gets caught. But shipping ivory to/from almost ANY country is illegal.
Is your country on this list?:
http://www.cites.org/eng/disc/parties/alphabet.shtml
Again, hopefully the cue is not in customs and will turn up soon.
-von
Thanks for all info provided.
Guess what? I'm not a cue buisnessman! I do not import/export cues! That is a very important detail! And there are official web sites selling ivory cues all over the planet without any problems! Are they "lucky" too?
I just trade from time to time my playing cue. How do you expect someone to know about such lists unless this is part of his job? Perhaps in Doug's case someone "pointed the finger" at him, maybe someone jealous of his cue collection (just a theory..), why only him and maybe one or two more people had such problems?
"Luck" has nothing to do with it when you ship cues in a period of 15 years. Noone can be that lucky..
If the customs is "aware" of this incident, 1) why haven't they contacted me? Guess what? They have all my data, I'm not hiding anywhere! 2) Why the second package which I shipped 2 weeks after that has reached the same receiver without any problems, like all the rest in a period of 15 years? 3) Why isn't there any tracking info from usps "in customs" like there almost always is in this case?
Like I wrote, only God knows where it is, it could be at customs, it could be lost/stolen/destroyed either here or there!
Guess what? I'm not a cue buisnessman! I do not import/export cues! That is a very important detail! And there are official web sites selling ivory cues all over the planet without any problems! Are they "lucky" too?
I just trade from time to time my playing cue. How do you expect someone to know about such lists unless this is part of his job? Perhaps in Doug's case someone "pointed the finger" at him, maybe someone jealous of his cue collection (just a theory..), why only him and maybe one or two more people had such problems?
"Luck" has nothing to do with it when you ship cues in a period of 15 years. Noone can be that lucky..
If the customs is "aware" of this incident, 1) why haven't they contacted me? Guess what? They have all my data, I'm not hiding anywhere! 2) Why the second package which I shipped 2 weeks after that has reached the same receiver without any problems, like all the rest in a period of 15 years? 3) Why isn't there any tracking info from usps "in customs" like there almost always is in this case?
Like I wrote, only God knows where it is, it could be at customs, it could be lost/stolen/destroyed either here or there!
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