A Visit with Mr. Moori

God I loved the old school mooris. .. now I need to find who has the real ones again

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Bob 14:1 said:
Thank you for all this great information, victorl!!

Can you recall any of the durometer numbers on the Jewel?

Thank you so much!!!
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Durometer readings are listed on the New Art website:
https://www.newart.co.jp/item/itemgenre/billiards/billiards-supplies/tip/tp-moori

In my experience, though, durometer ratings aren't very reliable and only show how hard a tip will be when you first use it.
For example, a quality, firm tip with high elasticity will eventually score lower than a softer tip that quickly compresses and hardens up.
 
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strokenpoke said:
God I loved the old school mooris. .. now I need to find who has the real ones again

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Next time we meet up to discuss his website, I'm going to try to make getting this info out a priority over the actual translation.
 
So what US source purchases directly from Moori? Want to try a Ruby but don't want to take any chances that I might be getting a counterfeit.

Thanks!
 
That would be awesome. .. I checked his site but couldn't find any relevant info

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Really nice to see Moori back in business with these new products :)

For those who have played with their new line up of tips, could you please list them in hardness order in regards of feel and maybe add some comprasion to other well known tips? I mean like ; The Moori Ruby feels a lot like a Kamui soft tip etc. I would very much appreciate the effort if someone can give some insights on this :o

Its a bit hard to find any user reviews or comprasion on these tips in a language I am able to read :o
 
victorl said:
You're right, the counterfeits are definitely a big issue. I'm sure there are many people unknowingly carrying and selling fakes because the market is flooded with them. Because his production capacity is limited, I figure there are probably significantly more fakes than real ones floating around out there.
One of the things I hope to accomplish with the English site is to educate disttributors and users on how to ensure that their Mooris are the real deal.

He has the Japanese distributors listed so I'm thinking we can do the same for the international ones as well.
The Moori tips website is at: http://www.moori-kooboo.com
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None of the reputable dealers in the USA are "carrying" fakes. The market is not "flooded". Do you have any scientific data or actual sales experience in the USA to justify your outrageous statements? How many Moori tips do you sell annually?

So, I assume you'll have more information that we have published here:
Moori Information You Need To Know.

victorl said:
Not that far from the truth actually... if you've ever done any online shopping on Chinese websites, you'd see how easy it is to pick up sharp-looking fakes by the truckload. And it's not just fakes, there are so many copycat brands claiming to be quality, Japanese-made tips that people here have never even seen or heard of.

Since I started this thread, I've had some weird reactions from people who I guess have something to hide.
I'm not out to get anyone or ruin anyone's business, all I'm concerned about is helping to clear Moori's name and get word out that he is still making quality tips despite past rumors and speculation.
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I am thoroughly amazed. A guy comes on here from left field willing to translate Moori Web site and all of a sudden he’s a AZ GOD. Who is this guy? Do you have a web site? What are your credentials? What is your actual name? How many Moori tips do you sell annually? How many tips overall do you sell annually? How long have you been involved in marketing and business?

You supposedly sat down with Moori and all of a sudden you know the market is flooded with fakes? Fascinating.

Furthermore…. I didn’t know that you need to “clear” Moori’s “name” . What needs to be cleared? He’s been manufacturing tips non-stop since 1983. The quality has been up and down but it’s still a great tip. All the rumors have been started by less than informed individuals who start threads when nothing needs to be started.

ChopStick said:
Did you see the viewer thing on Newart? It's for verifying the Moori hologram on the tip packages. If I was a dealer I would get one. It appears to be cheap.
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NEWS FLASH!
 the "viewer thing" has been around since 2003 or so.
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As far as Genuine Moori... you have the following:
Joe Rackem on ebay (just search Moori tips and you'll get Joe's and our offerings which are all Genuine.

CueManBilliards.com
Cuestix.com
Seyberts.com
Muellers.com
CueandCase.com
CueComponents.com

If you need small quantities, you don't need to go to a Japanese web site and pay the higher price plus the high shipping costs to the USA; you'd have to be a real neophyte to do that. You can get them right here in the good old USA.


Not Atlas Billiards as they manufacture their own Moori fakes.


As far as fake Moori. There are a couple guys selling them on ebay and on AZ. If you buy a Moori from your buddy at the local pool room, it can be a fake. If you purchase from the above named sources, you can be assured and guaranteed that they all handle the genuine article.
 
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Joe Barringer said:
None of the reputable dealers in the USA are "carrying" fakes. The market is not "flooded". Do you have any scientific data or actual sales experience in the USA to justify your outrageous statements? How many Moori tips do you sell annually?

So, I assume you'll have more information that we have published here:
Moori Information You Need To Know.



I am thoroughly amazed. A guy comes on here from left field willing to translate Moori Web site and all of a sudden he’s a AZ GOD. Who is this guy? Do you have a web site? What are your credentials? What is your actual name? How many Moori tips do you sell annually? How many tips overall do you sell annually? How long have you been involved in marketing and business?

You supposedly sat down with Moori and all of a sudden you know the market is flooded with fakes? Fascinating.

Furthermore…. I didn’t know that you need to “clear” Moori’s “name” . What needs to be cleared? He’s been manufacturing tips non-stop since 1983. The quality has been up and down but it’s still a great tip. All the rumors have been started by less than informed individuals who start threads when nothing needs to be started.



NEWS FLASH!
 the "viewer thing" has been around since 2003 or so.
.
.
.
As far as Genuine Moori... you have the following:
Joe Rackem on ebay (just search Moori tips and you'll get Joe's and our offerings which are all Genuine.

CueManBilliards.com
Cuestix.com
Seyberts.com
Muellers.com
CueandCase.com
CueComponents.com

If you need small quantities, you don't need to go to a Japanese web site and pay the higher price plus the high shipping costs to the USA; you'd have to be a real neophyte to do that. You can get them right here in the good old USA.


Not Atlas Billiards as they manufacture their own Moori fakes.


As far as fake Moori. There are a couple guys selling them on ebay and on AZ. If you buy a Moori from your buddy at the local pool room, it can be a fake. If you purchase from the above named sources, you can be assured and guaranteed that they all handle the genuine article.
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I am not a dealer, just a player who has been around pool a long time and is helping with a translation. I simply wanted to share a personal experience and let everyone know that his website will be available in English in the near future.

Again, I never said that you or any of the reputable sites were selling copies or fakes. But the fact is that there are companies out there openly selling fakes and copycats and that is a huge problem as people clearly have no idea who to trust anymore. And as far as the market being flooded, I wasn't talking about just the US, either. You're right, though, I'm not at all qualified to say what's real and what's not, and that's why I haven't done that. I just want people to look forward to the new website for the latest news and information direct from the source.

I also looked the sites you listed, and it is really hard to find any of the new line of tips. A couple of them don't even have Moori tips at all. And where would someone even get a Malachite Green tip in the US?
 
victorl said:
I am not a dealer, just a player who has been around pool a long time and is helping with a translation. I simply wanted to share a personal experience and let everyone know that his website will be available in English in the near future.

Again, I never said that you or any of the reputable sites were selling copies or fakes. But the fact is that there are companies out there openly selling fakes and copycats and that is a huge problem as people clearly have no idea who to trust anymore. And as far as the market being flooded, I wasn't talking about just the US, either. You're right, though, I'm not at all qualified to say what's real and what's not, and that's why I haven't done that. I just want people to look forward to the new website for the latest news and information direct from the source.

I also looked the sites you listed, and it is really hard to find any of the new line of tips. A couple of them don't even have Moori tips at all. And where would someone even get a Malachite Green tip in the US?
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I seriously believe you are not qualified to even be discussing anything with regard to Moori because you cannot even look things up properly. Every single site I noted above does in fact offer Moori tips. And, 3 of them offer the Jewel. Either you need glasses or are totally out of the loop or a combination of the two.

I would also like you to list the sites or email me the sites you believe are selling "fake or copycats". The only sites are in China who are supplying them to the unscrupulous individuals who purchase them which is a very, very small market.

Since you admit that you are "not at all qualified to say what's real and what's not", how then is it that you know which are real and which are "fake or copycats?".

I think you need to stick to your day job and leave the tips business to those of us who are much more knowledgeable.
 
Joe Barringer said:
I seriously believe you are not qualified to even be discussing anything with regard to Moori because you cannot even look things up properly. Every single site I noted above does in fact offer Moori tips. And, 3 of them offer the Jewel. Either you need glasses or are totally out of the loop or a combination of the two.



I would also like you to list the sites or email me the sites you believe are selling "fake or copycats". The only sites are in China who are supplying them to the unscrupulous individuals who purchase them which is a very, very small market.



Since you admit that you are "not at all qualified to say what's real and what's not", how then is it that you know which are real and which are "fake or copycats?".



I think you need to stick to your day job and leave the tips business to those of us who are much more knowledgeable.
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Making friends?
 
Well, I see nothing positive is going to come out of this exchange, so I'll just leave it at that.

Thanks for all the ideas and comments, everyone. I will run them by Moori-san and I'll update you guys when the site is up and running.

Cheers,
Vic
 
victorl said:
Well, I see nothing positive is going to come out of this exchange, so I'll just leave it at that.

Thanks for all the ideas and comments, everyone. I will run them by Moori-san and I'll update you guys when the site is up and running.

Cheers,
Vic
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The thread is very positive as it exposed you for being an "expert". Thank you for your input, wisdom, information and ideas. You made incorrect statements and you were called out to which you had no good answers. Please give Moori-San my very best.
 
victorl said:
Durometer readings are listed on the New Art website:
https://www.newart.co.jp/item/itemgenre/billiards/billiards-supplies/tip/tp-moori

In my experience, though, durometer ratings aren't very reliable and only show how hard a tip will be when you first use it.
For example, a quality, firm tip with high elasticity will eventually score lower than a softer tip that quickly compresses and hardens up.
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These duro ratings don't seem to be very close to those widely given for the currently rated IV's. For example, I think a Morri Medium usually is a mid 70's rating??? These all seem quite hard; contrary to the few reports available from some users who have actually played with the J, for example.

TIP-MMARGR
タップ モーリ ジュエル マラカイト(グリーン） バラ
販売価格2,000円（税別）
在庫有りメール便
DURO数値 89.1
TIP-MJEWELRU
タップ モーリ ジュエル ルビー(Jewel Ruby) バラ
販売価格1,600円（税別）
在庫有りメール便
DURO数値 89.5
TIP-MJEWEL
タップ モーリ ジュエル(Jewel） バラ
販売価格2,000円（税別）
在庫有りメール便
DURO数値 87.6
TIP-M5
タップ モーリ V バラ
販売価格1,800円（税別）
在庫有りメール便
DORO数値 88.0
TIP-M3Q14
タップ モーリ4 Quick-14 (バラ)
販売価格1,000円（税別）
在庫有りメール便
DURO数値 90.7
TIP-M3M14
タップ モーリ4 Medium-14 (バラ)
販売価格1,000円（税別）
在庫有りメール便
DURO数値 90.4
TIP-M3S14
タップ モーリ4 Slow-14 (バラ)
販売価格1,000円（税別）
在庫切れメール便
DURO数値 88.9
 
Joe Barringer said:
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The thread is very positive as it exposed you for being an "expert". Thank you for your input, wisdom, information and ideas. You made incorrect statements and you were called out to which you had no good answers. Please give Moori-San my very best.
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With all due respect, and as a fan of the game that is definitely NOT an expert, has NO interest in either party and completely independent...

Joe: You are coming off a bit hot and heavy here, it is doing some harm to your reputation as an expert (in tips), but is fortifying your reputation (for arguing). There is a way to debate without name calling and immediately insulting somebody personally. Maybe ask for clarification or when you yourself are trying to "out" somebody with your superior knowledge, you could, you know, provide a precise link to exactly what you're talking about and fill in the spaces in your argument with facts instead of slinging mud. Sorry, i'm just a blunt person.

Victorl hasn't made a claim on here to be an "expert", he shared a story filled with "I haven't had much time to compare" and "I don't know exactly what the difference is" type of disclaimers because he has NOT claimed to be an expert, leading the reader to believe that he is not an expert (you see how that argument worked?).

Again, as just the reader of this thread, from what I read no expert claim was made, an allusion to a large fake product market is as set in stone as your claims of your expert knowledge based on the facts you've brought in here to solidify your reputation....

Why don't we just let a few folks here in the USA get their hands on these green tips and provide feedback before we vilify ANY poster here in this thread?

I myself have stated that I will be testing them in a controlled fashion against two other types of tips in a controlled environment... And do not have a single $ to gain from any review, nor care what my "reputation" is regarding a review I post. It will have a single disclaimer at the beginning that I am a amateur and am sharing my opinions.
 
ElLeon said:
With all due respect, and as a fan of the game that is definitely NOT an expert, has NO interest in either party and completely independent...

Joe: You are coming off a bit hot and heavy here, it is doing some harm to your reputation as an expert (in tips), but is fortifying your reputation (for arguing). There is a way to debate without name calling and immediately insulting somebody personally. Maybe ask for clarification or when you yourself are trying to "out" somebody with your superior knowledge, you could, you know, provide a precise link to exactly what you're talking about and fill in the spaces in your argument with facts instead of slinging mud. Sorry, i'm just a blunt person.

Victorl hasn't made a claim on here to be an "expert", he shared a story filled with "I haven't had much time to compare" and "I don't know exactly what the difference is" type of disclaimers because he has NOT claimed to be an expert, leading the reader to believe that he is not an expert (you see how that argument worked?).

Again, as just the reader of this thread, from what I read no expert claim was made, an allusion to a large fake product market is as set in stone as your claims of your expert knowledge based on the facts you've brought in here to solidify your reputation....

Why don't we just let a few folks here in the USA get their hands on these green tips and provide feedback before we vilify ANY poster here in this thread?

I myself have stated that I will be testing them in a controlled fashion against two other types of tips in a controlled environment... And do not have a single $ to gain from any review, nor care what my "reputation" is regarding a review I post. It will have a single disclaimer at the beginning that I am a amateur and am sharing my opinions.
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agree100%
sent you a greenie
 
Well, now Joe is Gone but I'm sure he's still lurking under another Handle.


A bit confusing...He is a self proclaimed expert, and accused someone of selling fakes on here a few months ago in the Cue Machinery section, that actually turned out they had been bought from HIS SITE and were being resold because the buyer needed funds or whatever...the seller even produced the bill of sale....Guess Joe wasn't that much of an expert himself...or was selling fakes.....or both
lol :thumbup:
Dave
 
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