About Diamond system geometry

I KNOW i dont need the numbers, but every system shown here has nr. Can someone explain the system without nr?
Snooker tables dont have diamonds. How can they do it, like 3 cushion escape when theyre snookered?
BR
Edit: i believe most have just learned the system by nr., but not really understand the logic/math behind it.
Multiple rail angles have

SHAPES !!!

Those are very consistent too; nearly template like. Trial and error like you said. Start shooting 'em.

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This incorrect angle optimized for its fishlike attributes for instance.
 
Looks like as good a thread as any to ask for enquiring minds, "Did you watch the Snooker with Zaho and Mark Williams at the finals?
I recognize the expression Ronnie has at the hug.
The expression of Mark in their Embrace at the start of this clip is priceless. 😉
 
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The angles around the table along with the precision speed made for incredible performance. It was put on display by both in the finals.
Gotta wonder if Judd set a record for banked balls pocketed in a single frame. Doubled, they call it a double. 🤷‍♂️
 
I KNOW i dont need the numbers, but every system shown here has nr. Can someone explain the system without nr?
Snooker tables dont have diamonds. How can they do it, like 3 cushion escape when theyre snookered?
BR
Edit: i believe most have just learned the system by nr., but not really understand the logic/math behind it.
Possibly, Midpoint Parallel Shift method.

Youtube link. 3-cushions, including a "zig-zag" (my description): PERFECT Method For 3 Cushion Snooker Escapes

Youtube link. . 3-cushions, "around" (my description):


I have not yet found a long-table example of the second type, which would more approximate a Corner-5 system shot. However, I think there may be an adjustment/trick that makes the MPS method work, or maybe it just take knowing the C5 line starting from the corner and adjusting for that (like how Spot-on-the-Wall is used).

I also think that visually shifting/sliding the table works, but I have not fully tested that. I think there's a diagram that illustrates this on that 'famous' poster of stuff....I know there's a few threads about the poster, but I cannot recall the name of it, or the guy who sold it. There's a copy across from the bathrooms at Mr. Cue's II in NE Atlanta (Chamblee-Tucker). I actually thought of the method independently, decades ago, and that poster is the only time I've ever seen the same thing--and never seen a discussion about it, but there might be some. In a way, I would say it's related to the mirror-system for single kicks/banks, but I've already digressed enough.... Edit: The poster is "The Banks are Always Open" by Ray Higley.
 
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I wonder how snooker players orientate themselves on 12f table without diamonds.
Do they use similar systems? Do they have diamonds/ruler stickers? Where are the numbers?
How can they make a 3 cushion shoot, while beeing snookered, without numbers?
i wish i could find the link but i recall reading about the snooker players using the spots of the colored balls as reference points
i am making this up but lets from the corner thru the blue spots is a standard x rail kick(kick for us)
and using the "mother " shots to help with the shot on the table
i could be misremembering
maybe @pt109 could comment
 
Blue spot is in the middle, of the table, ( rectangle diagonals) pink is in the center of square. Bulk square is interesting
Nevertheless, each square has 2 diagonals, to set the centerpoint.
 
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Blue spot is in the middle, of the table, ( rectangle diagonals) pink is in the center of square. Bulk square is interesting
Nevertheless, each square has 2 diagonals, to set the centerpoint.
That's fine for a reference grid. Problem I have is the ball doesn't travel on plane geometry. No actual parallels for one.
 
Lasers and mirrors absolutely. Diamond system? Needs extensive analysis to discover any correlation other than the results based averaging.
I learned the running English system in our area. There were others out there, but I found 'systems' as a whole were geographic in nature. Figured this out while roading. Players in certain parts of the country used x system and never heard of y. Wasn't any YouTube and very little written material out there. Most of the players I knew weren't well read in the first place. Heck, most of them didn't finish high school, but could put racks together.
Off the beaten track here. Apologies.
 
What do you mean by no actual parallels for one. Using MPS ?
The method uses parallel lines as a plotting reference. The table itself doesn't produce any parallels and the ball has to be specifically induced to produce that second rail parallel exit.
Running angles LSL and SLS open at each rebound because of rail induced spin and forward roll.
 
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I honestly cannot tell if this is meant to be a joke/sarcasm. Also, for the diagram it seems as if the values for the 'Start' and 'Aim' variables are x-y co-ordinates, where only the x value matters, but the 'Spin' value does not seem to relate at all.
Not a joke/sarcasm Heater451.

What is fundamental with Diamond System are the finish lines. Those lines are very stable when playing with full spin.

With Corner 50 numbers, this means that a shot Start=50, Aim=30, approximately borrows the same road 20-20, that the shot Start=40, Aim=20, or any one else where S - A = 20.

The 4th rail have no effect in that.

Of course, with a non 8x4 table, the 4th rail numbers would have to be change.
 
I uderstand that the grid is theoretical and CB doesnt make parallels.
So you can also see that precision hits require educated adjustments on top of the aiming method. Now take the premise from the blackball table to a 12 footer. A good place to start would be to do the parallel aim and then change nothing more than skewing the shot line plus or minus.
 
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